Eating meat never killed anyone. Dying kills people.

Anyways, over the course of my 18 years my diet has contained both meat and vegetable products and I am as healthy as can be. I'd be healthier if I exercised more, and I'm working to change that.

Is there a possibility I might die early because of my meat consumption? Of course. Is there a possibility I might die early in a horrible car accident involving a deer, two chickens, and an egg-beater? Of course.

With those kinds of odds, I think I have the right to eat my hamburgers.

Boo vegetarians. Hurrah beer! ...I mean beef!

Did you know meat also contains hormones? The reason American kids are growing up so fast.

OH SNAP! THEY'RE MATURING!
FUCK THIS IS BAD!

My friend, who loved meat and drank only non-organic milk, and I were talking and the issue of hormones came up. I explained to her about hormones and how their bad for you. She seemed offended and stood up and said "Well, I've drank nothing but regular milk my entire life, and look at me! I'm just fine!" I then took a look at her c-cup, and thought about how she started her period in 4th grade, and held my tongue.

HOLY SHEEP SHIT!
She's growing boobs, and has her period!
OH MY GOD! PUT THE NATIONAL GUARD ON ALERT!
GET THE F-22s AIRBORN! I WANT ALL OF OUR NUKES UP AND RUNNING NOW! LET'S GO GO GO! PUT CANADA ON ALERT TO! GET THE CANOES OUT!

Seriously.
Maturing quickly is a bad thing? Wow. That's the complete inverse of everything I've been taught. You see, I thought maturity, both physically and mentally, was a good thing. My bad.

"But like, Chaos, eating meat makes you fat!"

No. Eating too much makes you fat.
Not excersizing makes you fat.
Being an idiot and thinking that consuming a steak every day is good for you, makes you fat.

Eating meat alone doesn't make you fat.

"Butlykogm! Eating meat supports animal cruelty!"

No. Buying meat from producers who treat animals cruelly supports animal cruelty. Buying from farmers markets and local economies, are usually a safe bet. Hell, even hunting and fishing on your own prevents animal cruelty.

"But we can't get food from farmer's markets!"

Then lobby for better conditions for the animals to be treated in, and for them to be slaughtered humanely.

"But like, we're sophisticated now! We don't need meat."

No. We're the dominant species around here. We can eat meat if we want to.

"But it's barbaric! Only animals and cavemen eat meat!"

Barbaric my ass. In that case, taking a piss is barbaric too. Guess I can't go to the bathroom anymore.

"But like, you can get diseases!"

Which is why we have this thing called cooking.
Oh, by the way, you can get diseases from plants too.

"But like, you get fat from meat!"

Which is why you buy lean meats, or you cut the fat out, unless you're too lazy to do that, in which case, you're an idiot.

"But! There's bad stuff in meat!"

Yeah, and there are bad stuff in vegetables too.
And I'll cook both. Boiling water has this tendancy to kill off a lot of things.

"You're an asshole!"

Yes, and damn proud of it.

I'm a healthy individual, and I eat meat.
I make sure my meat is cooked properly, I get some excersize, and I don't go to McDonalds every fscking day.

Beef, steak, whatever. I love all of it.

Sure, you can be healthy as a vegetarian, if you're incredibly strict about your diet. I don't care. I'm an omnivore. I like my food. I have canine teeth for a reason, and I intend to use them.

I like vegetarians: more meat for the rest of us!

I have already defended my point on the subject of hormones and the like several times thanks very much. (see the other copy of this thread in Enviromentalism)

Meat...yummy!

I'm an overall pretty healthy individual...and I eat meat almost every day. I have such a difficult time Fridays during Lent with avoiding meat.

If you want my opinion, vegetarians tend to be healthier simply because they typically pay more attention to the food that goes into their mouths...it's got nothing to do with bacteria or hormones...

I'm a vegetarian, and way healthier than my other friends. Did you know meat also contains hormones? The reason American kids are growing up so fast. My friend, who loved meat and drank only non-organic milk, and I were talking and the issue of hormones came up. I explained to her about hormones and how their bad for you. She seemed offended and stood up and said "Well, I've drank nothing but regular milk my entire life, and look at me! I'm just fine!" I then took a look at her c-cup, and thought about how she started her period in 4th grade, and held my tongue.

Ah thank you

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What would OSHA do? I mean, without specific factories anyway, they wouldn't be able to do very much.

They'd probably make stricter regulations. But I could be wrong.

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and what is OSHA anyway?

The Occupational Saftey and Health Administration.

thank you EG

and what is OSHA anyway?

What would OSHA do? I mean, without specific factories anyway, they wouldn't be able to do very much.

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I'm incredibly tired of people saying I care too much about animals, or bacteria.

Then why the FUCK did you bring up the E. coli issue in the first place?

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The least you could do is read up on how the meat industry hurts people other than the food it gives them. Women are paid to keep quiet about rapes, immigrants are sent out of the country rather than given first aid, and wages are cut to be less than minimal regularly (Myth and Measurement: The New Economics of the Minimum Wage). So if you want your beef, fine. However, I would rather not feed an industry that's hurting other people so blatantly.

Don't tell me, tell OSHA.

And you do have a pompous attitude, Amp does not.

Nope you can never be in perfect health with out some protein intake it doesn't need to be beef but some fish or chicken works just as fine

And in the end being a veggie is the ultimate form of being pompus it says to the world "we have so much food, that we can choose to not eat it" when everyone else is more along the mindset of "if it's edible it's gonna get eaten"

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You know people can get food borne illnesses from raw vegetables right?

Yes, I do know this. Staph food poisoning and shigellosis are easy to spread via produce because it comes from contaminated water. I don't think I ever denied the fact that you can get food poisoning from produce.

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Irrational response: ... and bacon

I'm incredibly tired of people saying I care too much about animals, or bacteria. If you're saying my response was pompous, I'm going to go ahead and say amp's message completely merited it. The thread title was Medical Reasons against Vegitarianism. Not only is it spelled incorrectly, it was a trial to find one medical reason in his entire post (not to mention a cited source). It is perfectly safe and healthy to not eat meat. Heck, it's healthy to not eat any animal products at all. You just need to know how to supplement it. I think we can all agree on that.

The least you could do is read up on how the meat industry hurts people other than the food it gives them. Women are paid to keep quiet about rapes, immigrants are sent out of the country rather than given first aid, and wages are cut to be less than minimal regularly (Myth and Measurement: The New Economics of the Minimum Wage). So if you want your beef, fine. However, I would rather not feed an industry that's hurting other people so blatantly.

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So go eat your hamburger, contract E. coli 0157:H7 with the other half a million Americans who have, and shut up.

Rational response:

You know people can get food borne illnesses from raw vegetables right? I have. The reason people get E. coli is because they don't cook their meat to an internal temperature of at least 160 degrees. If you get a meat thermometer, your chances of getting E. coli are zilch. There is bacteria everywhere, on all of your food, all the time, if you don't kill it with sufficient heat, you could get sick no matter what you're eating. You really have no clue what is in or on your food, unless you grew it and prepared it yourself. So what if it's organic. That doesn't always mean anything.

Irrational response:

I'm really getting fucking sick of you vegetarians and your pompous attitudes. So you don't eat meat. Big fucking deal. We don't care. But why do you have to come in here and act like you're better than us because we like meat? We're never rude to you guys, but you constantly treat us as if we're incredibly stupid. We know meat has dangerous bacteria, we know what cows eat, and we DON'T CARE. We're not whiny little pussies who are scared of a little bacteria. We know the risks of eating meat, but we eat it anyway because WE'RE SEXY AS HELL. We laugh in the face of danger. We eat iron filings and shit knives. Do we care if iron filings are "bad for us"? FUCK NO. Go eat your salad, you pansy. That just means more juicy steaks and burgers for the rest of us.

Fuck it, I'm getting a Double Whopper with cheese and bacon.

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you have no idea what goes onto and on top of your veggies

I have a pretty good idea. I even have a good idea as to what goes into the dairy I eat and drink. I don't have a problem with washing apples off with soap, or buying organic milk and Cabot's cheese. However, when the cows that I was eating were fed leftover chicken and fecal matter was when I decided I'd rather not eat it all.

Not to mention all the accident cover ups and violation of union workers' rights that has happened and still happens in the meat packing industry.

So go eat your hamburger, contract E. coli 0157:H7 with the other half a million Americans who have, and shut up.



Stats taken from Ensuring Safe Food: From Production To Consumption and Fast Food Nation.

you have no idea what goes onto and on top of your veggies

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1. veggies and fruit has insects, yuk
2. they also have peticides all over, nasty
3. and finally they grow in dirt, ick

Obviously you have no idea what goes into your cows and chickens or where they were raised.

Yes we have yet enother Nazi

and clear in response you your little list

1. veggies and fruit has insects, yuk
2. they also have peticides all over, nasty
3. and finally they grow in dirt, ick

mmmmm.... beef... it's whats cookin

Being a vegetarian is bad juju... especially if you ever accidently eat meat after you have been one for a couple years, it could kill you.

Uh-oh. Looks like we've got ourselves another Veggie Nazi.