I just have a couple of questions about Romashu's post.
At what age are people conisdered old enough to go to hell? 3, 7, 12?
What about people who live in undeveloped countries and never had the 'honor' of meeting a missionary who could save their soul? Are they delegated to Hell simply for never hearing of God?

Im srry to say tht people whove lived their lives already dont get the same sympathy as babies. They had a chance to live and fully understand the bible. babies that dont live very long dont have a good understanding of the bible so god takes that into consideration.

Although my religion has less followers than Catholics, Baptists and Methodists we are in the top ten religions in the us but this was back in 2003-2005 so it might be more or less now

i'm just saying a huge portion of christians believe babies go to hell.

plus it does say in the bible that the unbaptized will go to hell. doesn't say anything about excluding babies.

so would you say people who don't know christ and die wouldn't go to hell?

Well i dont believe the same things as catholics. which would explain my explanation.

In the catholic church, unbaptized babies/children go to what is called "limbo" an area of hell.

First of all thank you nathan for trying to settle this.
Secondly Thank you Caiaphas for helping explain tht.
Thridly wolfie i dont want to get into a big argument i just wanna say that god doesnt condem babies to hell. They dont know any better and didnt have a chance to be saved so he takes compassion on them.

wow, so profound

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Originally posted by Wolfie:
exactly, we are all humans.

meaning we all have the same rights.

i hate it when people try to justify killing.
no one has the right to take the life of another. regardless of what they have done.

killing someone who is "bad" isn't going to change anything, however love and kindness can change the world.

Wish I could take you to big bubba d in the state pen... you could love him, he'd love you too, till he got hungry.Then he would enjoy you.

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Originally posted by Wolfie:
exactly, we are all humans.

meaning we all have the same rights.

i hate it when people try to justify killing.
no one has the right to take the life of another. regardless of what they have done.

killing someone who is "bad" isn't going to change anything, however love and kindness can change the world.

You sleep with my significant others, people are going to die... it's just nature.

exactly, we are all humans.

meaning we all have the same rights.

i hate it when people try to justify killing.
no one has the right to take the life of another. regardless of what they have done.

killing someone who is "bad" isn't going to change anything, however love and kindness can change the world.

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Originally posted by Wolfie:
umm, everyone lies at some point in their lives sorry that's just how it is. god also sends homosexuals, unbaptized babies, and people who don't believe in him to hell. lol

god hasn't done shit for me because he does not exist.

i believe in the idea of a universal conscious. sort of like the force from starwars.

if god was real i wouldn't give a shit that his son died. do you know how many people have had sons who sacrificed their lives?

i think jesus was real. i think he had great ideas on morality (from confucious actually). i don't believe he is the son of god. evidence has shown that he was a part of a political movement to unite the jeruslahem area.

i know you're probably outraged or you're going to say something like "god is real. look at the bible" but i'm sorry to say we have a difference of opinion here.

I know that everyone (besides Jesus) in my opinion) most likely lies at some point in their lives I'll be the first to admit to lying. Actually, I'm not offended by your response at all, I respect your opinions, even if they clash with mine. There really isn't much difference between you and me, (we're both human...Right? haha)

umm, everyone lies at some point in their lives sorry that's just how it is. god also sends homosexuals, unbaptized babies, and people who don't believe in him to hell. lol

god hasn't done shit for me because he does not exist.

i believe in the idea of a universal conscious. sort of like the force from starwars.

if god was real i wouldn't give a shit that his son died. do you know how many people have had sons who sacrificed their lives?

i think jesus was real. i think he had great ideas on morality (from confucious actually). i don't believe he is the son of god. evidence has shown that he was a part of a political movement to unite the jeruslahem area.

i know you're probably outraged or you're going to say something like "god is real. look at the bible" but i'm sorry to say we have a difference of opinion here.

if god loved everyone so much why would he send someone to hell to be tortured for all eternity simply for not believing in him.


this is why it's all bullshit

Missionaries go to countries to help spread the word of God and teach people about Christianity.

1. We think you are going to hell if you don't believe in God so we are trying to save people so that they may have eternal life in the kingdom of heaven.

2. If people are really deep into their culture they aren't going to convert.

It isn't like in earlier times where it was convert or die. We just want to make sure that you have that option before you die.

In a lot of these 3rd world countries people don't have the resources to learn about other religions. Missionaries help create a safe, healthy environment for these people and teach them about God. It is just another form of education.

I respect your opinion so please respect my religion.

I'm willing to bet that nathan2142 isn't an 'expert' on what I or anyone else on this thread has and hasn't done.

It's pretty hyprocritical of you to come on here and tell everyone '[forming] opinions before you look at facts [shows] shallow thought' when you yourself know nothing about what any of us do or don't know.

I hate this. I'm willing to bet all these people who are "experts" on what missionaries do and don't do and know how horrible they are have never done anything like go on a mission or have taken much time to even see what they do. You form your opinions before looking at facts and that shows shallow thought. And implying that people can't be happy unless they have money is just plain stupid. I'm willing to bet many of you have never been to any third world countries and know little more of them than what your geography class briefly mentioned.

Are these "willing converts" by any chance starving, sick, extremely impoverished, and uneducated?

And are the missionaries equipped with enough food, medecine, and bibles to attempt and win the Crusades?

There is nothing wrong with converting people to your religion, but you should not hold any special power over them other than your knowledge and love of God.

Some people welcome missionaries in countries like india and peru the people willingly convert without hesitaition. Last year alone 100,000 Indians were converted to a specific christian denomination let alone others.

They may still be in poverty but at least it gives them hope for the future.

Fact: Missionaries do ruin other cultures and they do force their beliefs on people. It's what they're supposed to do but here's what i think...

Opinion: Missionaries have every right to take their beliefs to other countries, but they can't pretend that they are there trying to help people who really don't want their help. Missionaries act like they are so superior. Here's another fact: They are NOT God and they cannot force these beliefs on people who have lived fine without them for centuries. It is overall that person's choice what they want to think and Missionaries shouldn't go in to LCD's preaching their scare tatics. Missionaries are just part of a never-ending crusade to be the most powerful religion and nothing more.They should keep their beliefs to themselves!
Besides are these people really better off after they convert? Not really. They are still impoverished no matter what.

I'm just gonna say that there is a very, very obvious line between informing others of your beliefs and letting them decide for themselves, and moving in on helpless villages and saving them from poverty only if they convert.

In many poor villages in developing and third world countries the choice is convert or be ignored by the missionaries.

The people in these villages are often uneducated, hungry, and many times ill and then these people come with food, blankets, clothes, technology, and medicine [the technology and medicine are often miracles for these people- they have never seen anything like this] and tell them that they are all gifts from God, what are these villagers supposed to believe? What would you think?

I fully support helping the impoverished in developing and third world countries, but not lying to them and only offering them the one point of view on the world.

It's not an honest conversion, it's propagandism.