Abraham migrated from Mesopotamia to Ur and then Canaan, where he founded the Israelite nation. His people were nomadic, moving from one place to another. When Hager had Ishmael and Sarah had Issac, Ishmael became the ancestor of the 12 Arab Tribes with Issac circumcised (ouch) 8 days after his birth to continue G-d's convent with Abraham. Ishmael created Islamic ideas, Issac with the Jews, and later on Christianity begun with Jesus (with Jewish ideas). But why the conflict between the three religions, I mean they are all related by Abraham and all come from the same region. They are all monotheistic and share other traits, so why don't all three groups get along? Tolerance levels continue to drop, even after 4000/5000 years? Sick.

(This was the 1st Eastern Hemisphere Board)

The album is Holy Hip-Hop and I can't recall the artist. I think the song title is Boogie Bounce. Only reason I knew it is because my sibs love Hip-Hop so I got them christian influenced hip-hop instead of snoopity dog or whatever

Difference extend from our view of who the God of Abraham was. Is he a god of death, so we focus on death to get to him. Or is he a god of life, so we value the life he gave us and try to enrich it. Or is he a god of laws where there is a right way and a wrong way and none in between.

On a different topic I noticed you posted these lyrics on another post ampmaster.

boogie, boogie bounce
lalalalala
money ain't nothing we make that
the question is where your soul at?
boogie, boogie bounce

Can you tell the song, artist and album they are from?
Magicfingers

S'all good

I apologise, amp.

All I was trying to say is that Allah and Yahweh are not seperate Gods that they are the same deity just a diffrent name for said deity

Also I understand the concept of the trinity as I have written a paper on it and in fact believe in it as a roman catholic you don't need to shove my own dogma down my throat.

They are three in one.

Wikipedia

Within Christianity, the doctrine of the Trinity states that God is a single Being who exists, simultaneously and eternally, as a communion of three persons (personae, prosopa): Father (the Source, the Eternal Majesty); the Son (the eternal Logos or Word, incarnate as Jesus of Nazareth); and the Holy Spirit. Since the 4th Century AD, in both Eastern and Western Christianity, this doctrine has been stated as "One God in Three Persons," all three of whom, as distinct and co-eternal "persons" or "hypostases," share a single Divine essence, being, or nature.

The Catholic Encyclopedia

he Trinity is the term employed to signify the central doctrine of the Christian religion -- the truth that in the unity of the Godhead there are Three Persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, these Three Persons being truly distinct one from another. Thus, in the words of the Athanasian Creed: "the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, and yet there are not three Gods but one God." In this Trinity of Persons the Son is begotten of the Father by an eternal generation, and the Holy Spirit proceeds by an eternal procession from the Father and the Son. Yet, notwithstanding this difference as to origin, the Persons are co-eternal and co-equal: all alike are uncreated and omnipotent.



You see! Three in One! Trinity! One Godhead, which is why God+Jesus+Holy Spirit = Allah and Jehovah, and also why Islam looks down on Christianity from a dogmatic perspective, because their single god is much more truthful when he says worship only me. It seems to them that the trinity is in fact three seperate Gods.

God is God, The Holy Spirit is the power of God in us on this earth and Christ is the son of God he is not God but his son and as such the ruler of the earth. Christ himself is not as I just said a God all he can do and does do as he says himself is on the will of his father who is God.

Actually ampmaster, it should be;
God+Jesus+Holy Spirit=Allah=Jehovah(Yahweh, Adonai)

Allah=God=Yahweh as I said before

now as to the trinity they are not diffrent God's but diffrent forms of God and in one case God Incarnate (according to us any way)
Now the jewish standpoint on Christ tends to be beyond deining that he was God's Son and all the way to saying that he was not a prophet and that not even God can raise the dead. This argument is really easy to defeat if you've read enough of the Bible (old and new testaments both)
Now Islam does accept Jesus as an extremely powerful prophet but like the jews wait for the coming of the messiah who is supposed to arive some unspecifed amount of time after the seal of the prophet's (mohammed) death, I think I have read some of the Q'iran but not enough to fully get this portion

Most liberal theologians for each of these three religions have commented that all the Gods are the same. The only problem is that the more fundamentalist theologians disagree. For example, Muslims dislike Christian theology because they say that the Trinity is not really one God, so cannot be Allah. Judaism denies Jesus as the Messiah, and Islam only accepts him as a prophet. Christianity is rather pervasive and has indirectly aided in exacerbating problems round the world.

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Originally posted by Wolfie:
Why can't people just share the holy land? Just divide it equally...

People need to...

stop acting like humans!!!

Grr. I couldn't think of any other way to put it. Sigh. We are doomed aren't we?

That seems like a simple solution, until you take into account several factors, e.g. why should Arabs get half the "Holy Land" when they already inhabit Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Oman, U.A.E., Egypt, Lybia, Algeria, Morocco, etc.?

Also, I don't think that this is a religious issue so much as a nationalistic issue (at least on the Israeli end; Judaism in general is not particularly rigid, much less so than even Christianity).

I also sympathize with the Palestinians, who had been living in the area now known as Israel for generations and then were told to buzz off. Now that two generations of Israelis have already been born and grown up in Israel, however, they now have as much claim to the land.

It's just time for Israel to recognize Palestine's right to exist, and for the rest of the Middle East to recognize Israel's right to exist.

yes

Why can't people just share the holy land? Just divide it equally...

People need to...

stop acting like humans!!!

Grr. I couldn't think of any other way to put it. Sigh. We are doomed aren't we?

merp. feeling random. sorry about that. I just hate hate hate hate religion. yup. that's it.

i love all the earth's children!

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Sorry I don't speak zantonesian.

RELIGION CAN SUCK ME.

They all have the same holy land as it's the Jews holy land and Islam and Christianity are off shoots of Judeism

Kind of odd how all 3 have the same "holy land"

Just share it's not that hard to do, we could do it in kindergarten so why can't we do it now?

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the Muslims hate them because they see Christians as an extention of the Jewish faith.

That is where you are wrong muslims do not hate jews or christians because of religion they hate the jews for stealing the holy land away rom them and America because they see it as a pot of sin not beause of christianity. They have never held hatred for the christians like there is a Greek orthodox Shrine that shall never be attacked as they sheltered Muhammed from pagans who wished to kill him and accpted him as a man of great strength in God. Sides the "they hate us because we (chistians) are an extension of the jewish faith" argument is complete bull shit because they themselves are an extension of the jewish faith. In the end christian, muslin, jew whatever we are all pople who worship the same God and we all work out of the same book I've read the Q'uran and the Torah smae stuff I learned in sunday school it's the extensions (or lack there of) that has us all arguing

by the politstnd a Messiah is diffrent then "the last prophet" the two are not muualy exclusive

You said the answer, benji. Isaac was the child of promise. Ishmael was not, yet God had compassion on him and Hagar in the desert. God promised Hagar that Ishmael's descendants would become a great nation (and so they have) so the Jews and Muslims are mutually jelous. As for the Christians, Jews think they are blasphemous for saying that Jesus was the Messiah, and the Muslims hate them because they see Christians as an extention of the Jewish faith.