I have an idea for a political party that I want some input on. I was thinking the basic platform would be: 1. Rebuilding civil liberties, 2. fighting gov't surveillance, 3. keeping pollution as low as possible, 4. forcing children to say the pledge of allegiance in school everyday, and lastly 5. keeping our 1st and 4th aqmendment freedoms intact.

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4. forcing children to say the pledge of allegiance in school everyday

Why?

in todays growin economy and etnic diversity in america number 2,3,and4 cant happen #2 actually saves lives and if your innocent you have nothing to hide. 3 becuase pollution is fuel for the worl enviromentaly friendly or not polution means someone has a job someone was just made happy and the car that you have outside means you have transportatiion. 4 becuase buddighsts,islams,hindus and other religions of america arent goining for it are you goining to be held responsibile for a 2nd civil war this time christians vs everyone else

Speed, I am going to introduce you in to this thing called "Ghosting".

Basically, it's where you read some of the discussion.

"by #4 i meant breaking down the forcing of children to say the pledge. also it would be interesting to know why it would be a dictatorship. thanks for the input!"

Now, only a 3 or four page thing, you can go back a page or so, and just read over, and get a good idea. But reading the last page does reveal some new clues.

As for the party. It sounds alot like the libertarian party: http://www.lp.org/

At least, to me. Then again, I've only been into them for a small time now, so you'd have to read more to see if you agree.

if you get X ammount of signatures you can run for president and demand state funding for your campain. Can't remember the exact conditions, but i recall it being fairly easy.
Maybe in the future i'll go for it withoutt any particular party afiliation and campain for the death of black dogs and the destruction of red cars... i could conceivably do it if i got enough signatures, and i would prove how utterly flawed our system is if dadaistic idiots like myself can make it that far.

please change your avatar, you probably have no idea of the principles of Proudhon, Bakunin , Godwin, etc...
it's an insult to Anarchism for you to claim yourself a supporter and then state you would "force kids to say the pledge of allegiance"

read some stuff on the subject and then decide your views on the matter. I encourage you to start by looking up "Anarchism" on wikipedia to get the historicall backgrounds, likewise, i don't think you should read any modern anarchyst theory, it's mostly idealistic crap with no real chance of practical application. Learn teh basics and elaborate your own views and theories based on them. your welcome.

Finn, just so you know, I wasn't referring to you...I was referring to "hophead" and his/her "original wording" of the pledge.

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On #4, the Pledge of Allegiance: I think we should restore the Pledge to its original wording; I believe that fewer persons, myself included, could then find something objectionable about it. It used to go like this: I pledge allegiance to my flag, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisable, with liberty and justice for all.

Apparently, "of the United States of America" wasn't in the original wording...

No. The flag doesn't stand for that, and anyway...utopian societies don't work.

Well than thats your issue with the government, it really doesn't have much to do with the pledge... if it said "and to the utopian pure democratic society for which it stands" would you be any happier?

Right. To a piece of cloth and a really diluted form of government that barely represents true democracy.

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Originally posted by finn620:
Actually Meagan, I find it very objectional.

1. You're pledging to the actual flag of the United States. Wouldn't it make more sense to give our allegiance to the actual country?

"And to the republic for which it stands"

Actually Meagan, I find it very objectional.

1. You're pledging to the actual flag of the United States. Wouldn't it make more sense to give our allegiance to the actual country?

2. Either way, we're still pledging to a single country. I would rather swear my allegiance to my species and my planet instead of to an artifically constructed nation that has built its foundations on genocide and land theft.

3. The under God part alienates people who aren't theistic and suggests that the United States is so special that a higher power with the ability to create a universe 12 billion light years across would give a damn about us.

4. This is just my opinion, but I don't approve of a republic as an excuse for a real democracy. I strongly believe in direct democracy and will not be satisfied until the United States at least makes an attempt to move towards it. I'm doing my part by being informed enough to vote on issues instead of reps. I suggest others do the same.

5. I could argue that the indivisibility and liberty and justice for all bits aren't entirely true, but I'll leave this off. I know it's an ideal that we presumably strive for.

Yeah...because beginning it "I pledge allegiance to the flag, of the United States of America..." has way too much to object to...

Learn the pledge before you argue about it...

On #4, the Pledge of Allegiance: I think we should restore the Pledge to its original wording; I believe that fewer persons, myself included, could then find something objectionable about it. It used to go like this: I pledge allegiance to my flag, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisable, with liberty and justice for all.

My problem with your new political party, and its platform, is that the party would be redundant, and lead to a further splitting of the left/progressive vote. There are already in this country several political parties calling for the same types of things that you are; the Green Party, the Socialist Party, the Peace and Freedom Party (the one I'm involved with), and the Socialist Labor Party, to name but a few. Why not become active in one of them?

He made a typo. Among other errors.

forcing kids to recite the pledge will make them stop saying it. you will end up with tons of (at least) highschool and middleschool students getting referrals all because of the totalitarian regime you've concocted

Ah yes....the angry 14 year old who listens to Anti-Flag stage...
It will pass. You'll be a pissed-off pseudo-Marxist for a year maybe, go to too many protests, realize that most radicals have no clue what they're talking about, and become a jaded armchair anarchist.

Until then, express your anger towards trivial issues constuctively as possible. Attempting to start a bogus political party is not constructive. Bake a vegan cake in the shape of a circle-A.

I think the main point we are trying to make mark warner...is that you should wait until you are at least 15 until you design your own political party.

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Originally posted by Hydrok:
hmm... nothing, the feeling is gone and past

Hahaha. Of course, of course.

hmm... nothing, the feeling is gone and past

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Originally posted by Hydrok:
Amazing... simply... incredible.... I'm speechless.

Over?