I need some help here. I'm trying to save the Celtic Lingual Branch from Lingual Death. It isn't very organized yet, but with more members, it could only improve. I'm designing logos to print onto iron-ons and then to t-shirts, and really all we can do until I have more members is learn Celtic languages. That's Irish, Scotch Dialect, Welsh, Manx, Cornish, Breton and a few others. Any interests?

Woo! Celtic language! I love the music, and I definitely love learning new languages...


WHOA... I almost sounded like a newbie here...

In trying to "support" any small culture you also change it, most times drastically. In doing so then the "culture" you end up supporting isn't really what you're trying to preserve. I think that it's much better to go and learn, document, and experiance things in the natural state of the culture's evolution (or devolution as it might be) rather than some artificial shell of what it used to be.

Long story short: it's up to the members of those cultures to pass down and strengthen thier traditions. As outsiders, we've really got no right to try and pass down and represent a culture that isn't our own. Learn from, yes. Support and proliferate, no.

-----"""However, attempting to prop up cultures that are being squeezed out in our modern world seems wrong to me."""

If there are people interested in propping them up/supporting them, I don't see how it's harmful. The alternative for those people is to go study some language or culture that is already widely studied and documented and known about, and that seems pretty pointless too.

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ampmaster said:
Technicaly Doc it is a nation



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DrStrangelove said:
effectively it's own country


Come on!

Okay it the same Doc it still is the smallest nation on earth one of six soverign nations in europe that can fit in to rhode island at once!

Celtic word to translate: Arse
Have Fun!

Sorry That is just what my world langauges teacher told us now that I have learned different I will tell her. Sorry again

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Originally posted by ICELAND:
-----"""why is it worth saving for anything other than academic purposes?"""---

Some people think the Celtic languages are unique and rare and therefore interesting. Allowing them to be lost would be losing the remnants of a part of human history.


I have a dark French song sung in Breton called Gortoz I Ran. It is amazing. If you want it...im me.

Oh I'm all for obtaining records and documenting the language so that it can be passed down, that's what I mean by academic motivations. However, attempting to prop up cultures that are being squeezed out in our modern world seems wrong to me. The strong traditions of these smaller cultures will either continue to thrive on thier own accord, or meld into the large part of western culture. Seems fair.

-----"""why is it worth saving for anything other than academic purposes?"""---

Some people think the Celtic languages are unique and rare and therefore interesting. Allowing them to be lost would be losing the remnants of a part of human history.


I have a dark French song sung in Breton called Gortoz I Ran. It is amazing. If you want it...im me.

That's one thing we can think Mussolinni for. he actually gave Vatican City it's independence. Amp is also right The Swiss Guards are the smallest army in the world (less than 1000 altogether) The history behind The Vatican is actually very interesting, you guys should read up on it.

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ampmaster said:
Technicaly Doc it is a nation

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DrStrangelove said:
effectively it's own country

Come on!

Technicaly Doc it is a nation and also contains the worlds oldest intelligence agaency and of course the worlds smallest standing army. But no latin is not the offical language of the vatican only monks really speak latin and that is for prayer the most communicated languages in the catholic church are: Spanish, Italian, English and French.

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Originally posted by MoonGoddess:
uh I don't know anything about celtic but I do know that latin is spoken in a country it is in the center of Rome. I think it is call Vatican maybe i am not quite sure.

First you get down on your knees
Fiddle with your rosaries!
Bow your head in great respect and-
Genuflect!
Genuflect!
Genuflect!

Come on everybody! Do the Vatican Rag!

The Vatican isn't a "real" country, it's more a politically neutral zone, effectively it's own country, where the Catholic Church is centered. There's no native citizenry that I know of, and Latin IS a dead language.

uh I don't know anything about celtic but I do know that latin is spoken in a country it is in the center of Rome. I think it is call Vatican maybe i am not quite sure.

Well I'm always intrested in heritage related (irish babeee!) anything but being a dead language only means that it is not commonly spoken, So it would be "dead but stillspoken by academics like latin is today.

Here's a question: If the language is fading naturally and doesn't have enough pride to keep it going from the people who actually speak it, why is it worth saving for anything other than academic purposes?

I thought Manx was a dead language? I'm in if I could learn a litte of that.

irishgaelicforum.tk

It's a great place, run by an Irishman. I'm the Irish cultural Music teacher there, so yeah.

Nah, not cash now. I'm saving up for an Irish Whistle that costs more than twelve bucks and therefore has good tone. But I'll check out those sites. Thanks a ton, Celtic.

Also, greenleaf, http://www.learn-gaelic.info/

Google is your friend when learning languages.

If you're willing to spend some cash, try the Talk Now CD-roms. They're excellent and come every language imaginable.