I concur.

It isn't abuse to consider beating someone with a switch. Just because your parents weren't smart enough to know what is abusive and what is disciplinary doesn't mean everyone else's parents take it too far. I think I've unlocked some issues there that you should maybe get some help with.

I agree.

You're an A$$ to be so ignorant and blind to not see abuse, FML. At the age of eight, a child is not to be expected to know instantly the difference between playful fun and a degrading act, unless it was extreme. You don't even know the situation; how are you to judge what happened and what should have happened?

By the way, I was spanked quite often as a child, even for minor infractions, such as dropping the butter on accident. Later on it got worse until we all went to family counseling. As I see it, I was being as respectful as any child can be with few exceptions here and there. I completely agree with spanking as a form of punishment, but there is a line that is sometimes crossed by parents.

The words of a person who wasn't taken to with a hickory branch enough.

Oh, in the world of waterguns, everyone is fair game. Anyway, I was 8, who cares?

Maybe if he would have taken a hickory stick to you, you would have had a better understanding of why you don't treat adults disrespectfuly by shooting them with water. Maybe if your dad's parents took a hickory branch to him more often he wouldn't be disrespectful by putting his "girlfriends" comfort over that of his own children.

c'mon, p.i.s.s is censored? wtf?

My dad once whipped my arm with a rubber glove cause I couldn't steer his motor boat correctly (I was eight and forgot my glasses). I was staying with him in the stix, came home a few days later, my arm was still red. He also was gonna beat me with a hickory branch for pointing a water pistol at his girlfriend (I apoligized before he got to though). He's a redneck as you can see. Ummm...this is a tad beyond spanking, but I'm against any kind of corporal punishment on kids. I never respected his authority, I just disrespect him altogether. My mom hardly ever spanked me, and it only ever served to **** me off.

One time I said no to my nanny in public. When my father got home he spanked me. It only happened once and was effective. Mostly I was respectful and did not ever warrant spankings. But I think; the more disrespectful the child, the greater need there is for spankings.

Yes, spanking is a big part of punnishment. The first, and only, time I ever hit a girl and my school called my dad at work, he came and picked me up and took me home and I was spanked like no other, calmly though-there was no yelling or violence. It never happened again. It works and I am a better person for it.

Yes, spank their little butts!! I will to my kids!!

Spanking is indispensable to obedience.

Not corporal punishment; I'm referring to mere spanking.

How do you discipline a kid that isn't old enough to understand language and stuff like that? The child learns not to touch hot things the first time it gets burned, it learns not to eat small things after choking a few times. Pain is one of the few things that a child understands at a young age, and this is why spanking usually works to dissuade a child from an activity. Since being a brat has no pain associated with it, you must associate spanking with being a brat, then the kid stops being a brat. If I had a dollar for every time I see a whiney kid at the mall controlling it's mother rather than vice versa, I'd be rich. Generally it's the kids that DON'T get spanked that will grow up and be bullies.

Hmmm...That is pretty different from my sociology class where those of us who were spanked an amout of times that can be counted on one hand are big on rules, those who were not spanked could use a few more rules, and those who were spanked too many times are the quietest people in the class...It is a class of 35 and reflects the stats. my teacher told us...

Almost anything is good in moderation...

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Were you spanked as a kid?
Do you listen to/obey your parent(s)?

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No, I was never hit as a child. Then again, I was a very calm and quiet kid. My sister, on the other hand, is my complete contrary.

Do I obey my parents? Hmm... I'm respectful to them, but if I want to do something that I truly believe is good, I will do it whether they like it or not. I guess that makes me more independent than disobidient, but some parents think I should be punished, my parents just warn me, at most forbid me, but they don't put rules on me or ground me or anything.

Aha! It is your signature that I quote all the time, Wild.

I was spanked when I was young and not so young. Up until I was about 12. After my mom had spanked me once when I was 11 or 12, I hit her back, and got in trouble with the police (not much, but a yelling at and them not really trusting me, and I am not a bad kid at all) for possible "domestic violence".

Anyways, I don't obey my mother very much, but I also don't live with her. I live at a friends house, and they don't believe that spanking ever helps. They have the best diciplined kids I have met, and have never hit them. They have mutual respect.

i wasn't spanked as a kid, I was abused as a kid, and I figure there's no difference. You hit somebody, you hit them. simple. it hurts, it's about fear, it's about saying "I don't like what you did" and there are better ways of communicating-even very young children can have a conversation if you keep the language and ideas to their level. And if they don't understand what they did wrong, then hitting them doesn't make them understand it any better, and might prevent them from ever getting it because they might avoid whatever it is with blind fear. It teaches kids to do as somebody else says because otherwise they'll get hurt, it doesn't teach a kid to do as somebody else says because they're worth listening to. It teaches "don't do "x" or mom/dad will hurt me" and that's not a very good replacement for "don't do "x" because it's rude/hurts people's feelings/makes a mess/could hurt me" etc.

And why do children not have the same rights as older people? Would you think it's okay for your boss to beat you up because you were late? Or your friend to smack you because you hurt their feelings? Isn't there a less violent and hurtful way to fix the problem? WHY, I ask you, WHY is it okay to hit younger, more frail people who have less ability to comprehend the consequences of their actions?

Not so long ago, men could hit their wives "for discipline, not abuse"

Sometimes I listen to my parents, sometimes I don't. No child is every obedient 100% of the time. Not even close. It's a ridiculous expectation. Learning how to do the right thing takes practice, and mistakes.

Just as a question...please do not take offense of become defensive...

Were you spanked as a kid?
Do you listen to/obey your parent(s)?

Just to spark some different discussion...

Also, can I remind people of my original post that included the "for discipline only, no abuse" part?

Both instill fear, both are for power, both hurt others.

If you need to see my arguments for why spanking is abd in general (not just how it is similar to bullying) look at my posts.