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Typo?

Yeah. But I think we can safely let this thread die. This one was satisfying.

Couldn't let it go, huh?

Ehh.spanking. Good...bad...fun. =)

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bourd

Typo?

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Yes. I don't know how anyone could disagree with that position.

An agreement between two reasonable people. I knew it could happen.

On that same subject, I cannot believe that a bourd has actually ended in agreement. I don't think I have ever seen that happen before on YN. Amazing.

Yes. I don't know how anyone could disagree with that position.

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spanking doesn't always work.

I am not saying that it always works. I am saying that it does work. Just like not spanking kids doesn't always work. Are we in agreement here?

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Not everyone who is spanked turns out well-adjusted.

Exactly - it's like the "a square is a rectangle, but a rectangle isn't a square" argument.

And I'm providing examples.

My argument goes somewhat like this:

If spanking works, then people will turn out well-adjusted. Not everyone who is spanked turns out well-adjusted. Therefore, spanking doesn't always work.

I won't argue whether it's good or bad, but I fail to see what good it would ever do.

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Every person I know who was spanked turned out quite the opposite of what you claim. They just rebelled against their parents. Spanking didn't do anything good for them.

OK. Every person I know who was spanked turned out to be good, disciplined, respectful, well-mannered people. Spanking did lots of good for them.

Telling me that people you know didn't respond well isn't an argument. You think that spanking is inherently bad. Am I correct?

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BUt people on this board seem to think that spanking, when used the right way, is essentially bad.

Every person I know who was spanked turned out quite the opposite of what you claim. They just rebelled against their parents. Spanking didn't do anything good for them.

Blue, my friend, one of the only NOISEmakers that I respect and really enjoy debating. It is good to see you again.

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Perhaps that's the parent's intention, but I think that it simply scares the child. They might stop doing bad things, but not because they think it's wrong, but rather because they are afraid of getting hurt.

If it is done the right way it is not about being scared of getting hurt. I agree that there are other ways of teaching children discipline and respect and spanking is one of them. If parents fond that they would rather utilize another tool, fine, no problem. BUt people on this board seem to think that spanking, when used the right way, is essentially bad.

I hit a girl and hurt her when I was younger, and my mom wiated for my father to get home. When he did, he calmly put me over his knee and spanked me. I never hit a girl again. Spanking works, along with other tools not alone, to give children a foundation of punishment who don't understand consequences.

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If you don't do your home work, you get an F and your parents yell at you and take away privleges, and you may not move on to the next grade and grow up stupid and ignorant. If you are late to work you get written up and eventually fired. If you don't vote you don't get a say in what your government does and won't/shouldn't be taken seriously when you complain about it.

Yes, you are punished in alternate ways. Just not physical ways. You can teach a child a lesson without spanking him. There are other ways to send the message to your child that he has done wrong.

My brothers and I were not spanked. We are disciplined, hard-working, and polite young adults. We respect our parents and they respect us.

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Spanking really isn't as much about getting hurt, but about shame for disappointing your parents.

Perhaps that's the parent's intention, but I think that it simply scares the child. They might stop doing bad things, but not because they think it's wrong, but rather because they are afraid of getting hurt.

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If you don't do your homework, you aren't slapped around by your teacher. If you're late for work, your boss isn't going to slug you. If you don't vote, no one's going to duct tape you to a chair and beat you up.

If you don't do your home work, you get an F and your parents yell at you and take away privleges, and you may not move on to the next grade and grow up stupid and ignorant. If you are late to work you get written up and eventually fired. If you don't vote you don't get a say in what your government does and won't/shouldn't be taken seriously when you complain about it.

Spanking sets children out knowing that there are consequences for thier actions when they grow up. Because there really are no immediate "consequenses" for talking back to your parents or elders. As you grow up consequenses get more serious. Spanking is a foundation. Kids associate spanking with doing the wrong thing. Spanking really isn't as much about getting hurt, but about shame for disappointing your parents.

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"Bitch you ever hit me yo ass is gone get hit back" and I meant every word of it.

By the way, if I ever said that to my mom, I don't know what would have happened. But I can only assume that you probably were not taught that saying those kind of things to adults, or anyone for that matter, is inapproprite and WRONG. Go and thank you mom for letting you get away with whatever you want.

Wow, I remember when there was spanking in school...does that make me old? I personally think that spanking is not a bad thing, it sure as hell worked on me (my mom was scary)... but I believe it is the parent's responsibility to discipline their kid. If they can find a different method that is just as effective then thats great. But the fact remains, if you don't show authority over your child, then they will definetly have authority over you and the whole concept of respect will just fly out the window.

I dont particularily agree with spanking, but as long as it doesnt escelade to abuse, there is nothing wrong with it. Parents can get really stressed and physical force is sometimes the only way to control their kids.

See, one time my mom spanked my brother, and I told her if it was me, it wouldn't have gone down like that. I told her in these exact words(Or almost exact): "Bitch you ever hit me yo ass is gone get hit back" and I meant every word of it. (Yes, I talk ghetto. I"m from Detroit. Get over it.)

So, sometimes spanking is a good thing, when it's needed, but I'd get very...violent...if it was me.

I can't believe that this thread is still around...

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late for work, your boss isn't going to slug you.

That'd be amazing. Short term effects in restaurants would be repeatedly seeing servers, bartenders, cashiers (etc) with blackeyes and such. Long term effects? The entire food industry would cease to exist.

But this foundation is just left unbuilt after childhood. If you don't do your homework, you aren't slapped around by your teacher. If you're late for work, your boss isn't going to slug you. If you don't vote, no one's going to duct tape you to a chair and beat you up.

It's a one-time thing, and that often confuses kids. Sure, they associate doing bad things with being hurt, but then they expect to get hurt for screwing up later in life. And when they aren't, they figure it doesn't matter what they do, since no one's going to hit them with a ruler anymore.

It explains teens, at least.

Then you are the exception to the rule. Congrats. I was spanked, never out of anger, simply out of discipline. My mother would wait until she was calm and tell me to go get the belt. I would be spanked and then that was that. Simple discipline, nothing violent. Did you ever get slapped for cursing or talking back extremely disrespectfully. There is nothing violent about that. It teaches kids, who are too young to understand their actions or words that they are not OK. When they grow up they understand that it is wrong to do those things because it is wrong, but they were given a foundation when they were children. Just like when parents read to their children and point to the words before kids even know what a letter is. It sets a foundation.