sorry...it seemed as though a bit of shouting is necessary to make a point...

Woah, calm down there. Less of the capitals please.

And that is YOUR DETERMINATION AND YOUR CHOICE. (as I clearly stated in the paragraph below the one line you decided to respond to)

Apparently you just want to get the last word in...so go for it, I don't even care anymore...

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The whole point is that you have that note on your record in the first place...

Right and my whole point is that it's not a big deal.

The whole point is that you have that note on your record in the first place...


You know what? I really don't care to argue about this. This entire discussion probably ranks pretty high on my list of useless things to talk about. If you want to do in-school protsts, go for it. I could honestly not care less what you decide to do, or how your actions will affect your future. You can just go on living your life the way you think is best, and I will live mine the way I see fit.

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A note like THAT on your record CAN discourage a top school from accepting you.

Or, you could write about it in your entrance essay. It's easily explained.

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IS NOT GOING TO KNOW THAT THE BEHAVIORAL PROBLEMS ARE RELATED TO A PROTEST OR IF THEY ARE FOR OTHER, LESS HONORABLE REASONS.

Oh no. That's the kind of thing a counselor would explain. For instance, I missed nearly 30 days of school this past year. My counselor explained to my college that I had student government meetings out of school on those days.

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Well I hope for your hypothetical self's sake that it is not aiming terribly high.

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And I am aiming pretty high, thank you very much.

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Look it up.

The attitude is just kindof annoying. Don't try and act better than me.

I wasn't trying to act better than you. Based on your response to my statement, it did not seem like you realized I was talking about a hypothetical situation...so I reiterated that fact.



I was speaking in response to your statement that

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I know that I wouldn't want to go to a college if they'd reject me for one bad note on an otherwise good transcript.

I was talking about the one bad note.



The biggest point I am trying to make, is that a top school IS NOT GOING TO KNOW THAT THE BEHAVIORAL PROBLEMS ARE RELATED TO A PROTEST OR IF THEY ARE FOR OTHER, LESS HONORABLE REASONS. It is not like that will be noted on your record. It will not say that you got sent home for participating in a protest. It will say that you were sent home for failure to comply with school rules/regulations. A note like THAT on your record CAN discourage a top school from accepting you.

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Look it up.

The attitude is just kindof annoying. Don't try and act better than me.

A lot of people stand up for what they believe and still go to good colleges.

Hypothetically-speaking, many top colleges would be very interested in accepting such a student.

Schools like to see activism.

Key Word: Hypothetical

Look it up.

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Well I hope for your hypothetical self's sake that it is not aiming terribly high.

I have seen people with "disciplinary notes" get into some very good colleges. A lot of colleges prefer students with personality rather than students who are only academic. And I am aiming pretty high, thank you very much.

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I know that I wouldn't want to go to a college if they'd reject me for one bad note on an otherwise good transcript.

Well I hope for your hypothetical self's sake that it is not aiming terribly high. If a school was stuck with a choice between someone with good credentials with a post-it on their record, and someone who has never had any problems, who do YOU think they would choose? I can pretty much guarantee you that that ost-it won't say "Participated in a protest regarding _______, along with __% of the student body...", no, it will be more along the lines of your typical unruly behavior note...

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Yeah it got people talking, but not in a "Wow...they're so right" way, but in a "Haha...just buy longer skirts and you wouldn't have this problem..." sort of way...

It doesn't matter, they made their voices heard. Protests don't always end how you want them to, but the fact that they got out there and tried is something. I know that I wouldn't want to go to a college if they'd reject me for one bad note on an otherwise good transcript.

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And yes, public school employees are employed by the government. A city employee is the same as a government employee. Cities do, after all, have their own governments.

Not in the sense which was implied. THey might be technically government employees but that doesn't give them the right to strip rights from people.

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Hydrok's right, you are an apologist, yogore.

There's nothing wrong with that. I stand by what I think.

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Their thought process was that it would make the administration think about how silly the current dress code was.
i dont think you undderstand their point. They achieved what they wanted, they got people to talk about it. 10% is a huge chunk! By making that protest, they showed that they're not passive which is the entire point.

But their protesting didn't DO anything. All they have now is a note in their record that says that they were sent home from school for behavioral issues. Yeah it got people talking, but not in a "Wow...they're so right" way, but in a "Haha...just buy longer skirts and you wouldn't have this problem..." sort of way...

Hydrok's right, you are an apologist, yogore. You're worse than me.

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No, you still have rights.

Limited rights. Anyone who uses a computer at school can tell you that.

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a) not every class does a participation grade
b) One day of silence will not kill you (for example, I did the day of silence yet I still had the highest participation grade in my spanish class)
c) Most people can handle one day of no participation.

Most, but not all.

And yes, public school employees are employed by the government. A city employee is the same as a government employee. Cities do, after all, have their own governments.

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Schools are part of the government. Teachers and administrators are technically government employees...

No, they're not government employees, they're town employees.

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Their thought process was that it would make the administration think about how silly the current dress code was.

i dont think you undderstand their point. They achieved what they wanted, they got people to talk about it. 10% is a huge chunk! By making that protest, they showed that they're not passive which is the entire point.

At my school we had over 200 girls protest the dress code by wearing skirts that were slightly too short and tank tops. Their thought process was that it would make the administration think about how silly the current dress code was. I think the administration is still laughing...they sent home over 200 students that day. In a school of just over 2,000, that translates to roughly 10%...

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And protests, in school? Ha, again. Schools can indeed force you to do what they want.
No, you still have rights.

Nah. Schools are part of the government. Teachers and administrators are technically government employees...if the government wants to step on your rights, they can usually find a loophole that allows them to do so.

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but in practice, a 4.0 trumps anything

There are plenty of people with 4.0's, but not nearly as many that work for what they believe in. I've talked to a lot of college admission counselers and they've told me that a college is more interested in people who demonstrate that they are willing to work for what they believe, because that's mroe valuable than having a 4.0.

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And protests, in school? Ha, again. Schools can indeed force you to do what they want.

No, you still have rights.

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Silence in class means a no-participation grade, which hurts.

a) not every class does a participation grade
b) One day of silence will not kill you (for example, I did the day of silence yet I still had the highest participation grade in my spanish class)
c) Most people can handle one day of no participation.

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And in a public school setting, they rarely get results.

I've seen results from inschool protests. Walkouts, however, I have never seen so I am unfarmiliar with their effectiveness.

More important things than grades, yogore? Ha! Tell that to the rest of the world. Perhaps in theory there are more important things than mere grades, but in practice, a 4.0 trumps anything. Well, almost. Star athletes can get past that, but they're limited in career choice.

And protests, in school? Ha, again. Schools can indeed force you to do what they want. Silence in class means a no-participation grade, which hurts. I can tell you that from my days in the hated German class. Walk-outs result in truancies. And in a public school setting, they rarely get results.