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If you are honestly straight, and "become" gay, then you aren't truly gay. So how does that apply again?

This is rich. So if I suddenly decide that I am sick of dealing with dating girls and I want to start dating guys and having sex with them, what does that make me? Bisexual? What if I liked it and decide that I only want to be with guys? That would make me not gay, just a heterosexual dude that likes to sleep with guys right? No wait, let me guess, you would say that I was gay all along (because I was born that way) and I just didn't know it or I was suppressing it because of society right?

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That is true. Why is it so hard for people to go to the right path?? And besides, have you all ever noticed that gays and lesbians are fast increasing??? SHEESH!! what happened to straight guys and girls??? Are they all gone now???

That is simply and solely because nowadays people have more freedom to be themselves. People are more accepting and open about other things, such as others religions, other races, other lifestyles, and other sexual preferences. Try being gay in the 1950s, you would have been pretty much shot.

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A great leader takes the people where they don't necessarily want to go but ought to"

But a good leader does not take away people's rights to be themselves. It's a different thing to guide your country in a direction it doesn't want to go, such as say joining a world war to stop Hitler or something, to taking away someone's freedom of being.

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That is true. Why is it so hard for people to go to the right path?? And besides, have you all ever noticed that gays and lesbians are fast increasing??? SHEESH!! what happened to straight guys and girls??? Are they all gone now???

The definition of the right path to one person may not mirror yours. Did that ever occur to you?

And could the reason that "gays and lesbians are fast increasing" be because the population is increasing?

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Being gay is not sin... That is, if you were born that way... but if you are influenced TO BECOME gay even if you are straight inside, you are denying your true self, and to me... that is sin..... And really, gay marriage defies the sacrament of marriage.

If you are honestly straight, and "become" gay, then you aren't truly gay. So how does that apply again?

Oh, yay for the sacrament of marriage. We're not talking marriage religiously, we're talking secularly.

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because SOME people CARE yogore... LIKE ME. I want to do things that can benefit others as well as myself... Your post was definitely the answer of somebody who doesn't have a care in the whole world at all. Actually, it may be God whol will judge us, but He also said to care for others by leading them to the right path. There is a saying that goes "A good leader takes the people where they want to go. A great leader takes the people where they don't necessarily want to go but ought to" Gosh, this is a very BEAUTIFUL quote... I just forgot who said it......

And some people do not care if you care because your definition of caring is being a close minded moron.

Yogore cares about people, but he doesn't discriminate against those different from him, as you'd know if you read his posts.

As a side note to that quote, it a very good thing you're not a leader. After all, it's your twisted definition of where people "ought" to go that causes so many problems.

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I have so many quotes in my collection, sometimes it is difficult to memorize all of them.

Well, it's such a good thing you use that mind of yours for memorizing quotes instead of something like thinking.

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Why not let people sin if they want to. After all, it will be God who judges them, not you. Why concern yourself with it?

because SOME people CARE yogore... LIKE ME. I want to do things that can benefit others as well as myself... Your post was definitely the answer of somebody who doesn't have a care in the whole world at all. Actually, it may be God whol will judge us, but He also said to care for others by leading them to the right path. There is a saying that goes "A good leader takes the people where they want to go. A great leader takes the people where they don't necessarily want to go but ought to" Gosh, this is a very BEAUTIFUL quote... I just forgot who said it...... I have so many quotes in my collection, sometimes it is difficult to memorize all of them.

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That's if you indeed consider being gay a sin

Being gay is not sin... That is, if you were born that way... but if you are influenced TO BECOME gay even if you are straight inside, you are denying your true self, and to me... that is sin..... And really, gay marriage defies the sacrament of marriage.

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everybody sins but the idea is you should try not to sin.

That is true. Why is it so hard for people to go to the right path?? And besides, have you all ever noticed that gays and lesbians are fast increasing??? SHEESH!! what happened to straight guys and girls??? Are they all gone now???

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it will make them think that it is ok and it is NOT.

So what? That's a good thing, your children need to grow up accepting differences and learning tolerances. It's essential for being a good person. If they don't, they'll probably end up like the guys that beat Matthew Shepard to death, spending the rest of their lives in jail.

I grew up with gays and the concept of homosexuality ALL around me, and you know what happened to me? Nothing. All that happened was I learned to respect people, tolerate their differences, and to be more of an activist. I'm a straight female, with a christian mother and a gay best friend. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

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why do these people have to get married anyway?

Maybe it's because they have kids to support. Or they love each other.

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i am not comparing gays to murderers or child molesters or animals i am just making a point that if they change laws for gays they will end up changing all sorts of laws

Proof, please?

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i hope that one day you all realize that it is people like you that are bringing the downfall of America.

You know, that's what people thought in the early 1900s when black people started asking for more equal rights. Back then, the KKK pretty much ruled America. Don't you think that was a downfall? How about slavery? Or the slaughter of Natives? Or concentration camps for Asian Americans? Or spraying blacks with fire hoses in the streets? During those times America was pretty close to falling apart. Gays asking for civil rights and tolerance, is no where near the severity of those problems, unless an idiot like Bush let's it go too far.

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but if gays are walking around together that will be sort of difficult

That's just tough. Maybe you should put them in a bubble.

When/If I have kids I will totally expose them to all kinds of people and teach them the importance of tolerance. Their surrogate uncle will most likely be my gay friend, actually. I won't force them to accept gay people, that's up to them. But I will expect them respect and tolerate them.

Well, that definition of marriage takes out about two-thirds of the single female population of the US. I hope that was satire, because the last point was kind of...shall we say interestingly worded.

Well, Americangirl, since you want to go with the bible.... here

How I laugh at the hypocrisy.

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i hope that one day you all realize that it is people like you that are bringing the downfall of America

I hope one day you will realize your errors. You veiw christianity as the opposite of homosexuality, which it's not. Morals have nothing to do with gay marriage. They have to do with codes of conduct. You have so much to learn. I really hope you are 13, because ignorance like this should go away with maturity, something I pray will be granted to you. Maturity often makes up for lack of intelligence, I feel it only fair you get one of them.

AMERICANgirl,
Have a read.

"Where Is My Gay Apocalypse?"

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i hope that one day you all realize that it is people like you that are bringing the downfall of America.

I hope you realize you are a prime example of why Americans are considered the most ignorant nation on the planet.

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we are not as strong of a nation as we use to be and we are not becoming more powerful.

That has NOTHING to do with your morals. It's that idiot in the White House you have that can't speak proper English.

Also, more powerful? Wasn't Jesus humble?

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my children will be brought up in a christian home i am hoping to keep them away perverting thoughts and images but if gays are walking around together that will be sort of difficult

If you want to keep away from perverted things, then also stay away from the internet. It has more porn and sex than you'll see in your lifetime in person.

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they have rights but they do not have the right to pervert America

That's the biggest bull**** I've heard in years. If you want to de-pervert America (and by the way, thank you for ignoring the rest of the world), make people remove their sex organs. Those are what cause perverted thoughts.

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laws should not be changed just because people are insane enough to think that it is ok

Laws were never changed because the issue has never been raised until now by President Chimpazee.

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next thing you know it will be ok to kill someone or to have sex with a minor because they were in "love", for gods sake how far are you people going to take this?

OK, I made a thread on this once. Pedophilia (which I bet you have very little knowledge of) has nothing to do with homosexuality.

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you will not blame me when you are not able to eat meat because it is illegal because someone decided animals should have equal rights as humans

No, but I'll blame you for having to convince people I'm not American (since my passport says I am) because everyone thinks the IQ for the average American is below average.

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i am not comparing gays to murderers or child molesters or animals i am just making a point that if they change laws for gays they will end up changing all sorts of laws

But laws do change, whether you like it or not, because times change. It used to be legal for a 14 year old to marry and for a husband to abuse his wife.

If you want to live a "pure" life, join the Amish.

i hope that one day you all realize that it is people like you that are bringing the downfall of America. we are not as strong of a nation as we use to be and we are not becoming more powerful. i never said that freeing blacks was a mistake but one day you will realize that allowing gays to get married is.my children will be brought up in a christian home i am hoping to keep them away perverting thoughts and images but if gays are walking around together that will be sort of difficult

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how many times do i have to tell you people how this effects me?

It really doesn't. What other people do is not your buisness. Shoudl people for white supremeacy be able to persecute black people because it will ruin their beliefs? Your beliefs are not the same as everyone else. Your children may think very differently than you anyways.

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as you can see you cannot just go and change laws, once you start it will just be a downhill slide from there. you will not blame me when you are not able to eat meat because it is illegal because someone decided animals should have equal rights as humans.

Right. And freeing black people went too far! You have that same mentality. I cannot wait until you grow up and realize howintolerant you were. Your definition of marriage is not the same as everyone else's. Changing laws is okay as long as people agree with it, and people do.

Your ideas you show as being the right thing, and you need to realize you are not right about everything.

Gays are not perverting america. It is about freedom and tolerance.

how many times do i have to tell you people how this effects me?

yeah...you and rick santorum would get along...does this in any way affect you?

marriage is not for 2 men or 2 woman it is for a man and a woman. they have rights but they do not have the right to pervert America. laws should not be changed just because people are insane enough to think that it is ok.next thing you know it will be ok to kill someone or to have sex with a minor because they were in "love", for gods sake how far are you people going to take this? as you can see you cannot just go and change laws, once you start it will just be a downhill slide from there. you will not blame me when you are not able to eat meat because it is illegal because someone decided animals should have equal rights as humans. i am not comparing gays to murderers or child molesters or animals i am just making a point that if they change laws for gays they will end up changing all sorts of laws

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The point is marriage is suppose to be between a man and a woman. and i have already told you why it effects me, it will effect my children, it will make them think that it is ok and it is NOT.

You are free to instill whatever morals you want in your children, but you should have no control over the life of consenting adults.

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As disgusting as i find it nobody was stopping them from living together, i just think that they just like to pervert things.

Living together doesn't have as many benefits. The right to make medical decisions for each other, share property, inherit things when one dies. It's not discusting any more than hetero love.

Why do straight people have to get married? If it is not necessary for gay people, why for straights?

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why do these people have to get married anyway?

For the exact same reasons straight people want to get married.

I'd include a link to the 12 Reasons Why Same Sex Marriage Will Ruin Society thread, but I think the sarcasm is beyond your ability to comprehend.