The topics keep switching from gay marriage to abortion and from abortion to slavery. I'm getting confused about how to respond. Eh, I'll figure it out later.

By what?

I am thoroughly confused.

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where in the Bible does it say that slavery is ok?

The bible gives guidlines for slavery, but never condones the practice. And it's rules on the subject are quite harsh.
Specific Versus: Deu 15:12-15; Eph 6:9; Col 4:1

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i am not saying that they shouldn't have visitation rights but if a document like that is made there will probably be other things in the document and i may or may not agree with them

What is it that you fundamentally won't agree to with gay marriage? If you recognize that homosexuals have natural relationships, then whatis the reasoning for denying them marriage?

"And the LORD hath blessed my master greatly; and he is become great: and he hath given him flocks, and herds, and silver, and gold, and slaves, and camels, and *****." Genesis 24:35

So, bless someone and give them slaves.

"Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ***, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's." Exodus 20:17

So a slave amounts to as much as a donkey?

where in the Bible does it say that slavery is ok?
i am not saying that they shouldn't have visitation rights but if a document like that is made there will probably be other things in the document and i may or may not agree with them

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i would rather agree with that (not saying that i would) than gay marriage

Why would you not be in favor of visitation rights in couples? What is wrong with them having visiting rights in the hospital. I can almost understand the marriage thing, but why not visitation?

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yogore, gays are not being denied jobs or anything else that blacks use to be denied, just marriage.

Are you saying marriage is not important? Without it many rights are denied to same sex couples. Even if you do not agree with homosexuality, why do you have a problem with a partner inheriting the other's assets when one dies? Without a marriage, the family can take the deceased possesions unless there is a very explicit will. As Feijiao mentioned, hospital visitation are not granted either. Along with tax deductions, pension sharing, health insurance (to cover both partners form one of their jobs, I'm not sure if you are farmiliar with how it works) and many more things that I think are necessary in order for equality between gay unions and heterosexual marriage.

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i would prefer if you would not compare people of different races to gays,they aren't the same.

Blacks should have sympathy for the gay sommuity because the situation is similar. Everyone shoudld realize how unfair it is to deny people rights because of a religious belief. Some times I don't get how black people can follow the bible to very strict liitations on issues such as gay marriage, when they ignore the part about slavery and how it's okay. As for the anology between gays and blacks, it works. In all senses of an analogy, it makes sense, and I will continue to keep using it. If Blacks couldn't get married legally, wouldn't you call that unfair? I assume your answer would be no, so why does homosexuality make it okay then to deny people rights?

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if all you are worried about is that they will not have visiting rights in the hospital i would rather our government just develope some kind of document that gave their "significant other" those rights. i would rather agree with that (not saying that i would) than gay marriage

That wouldn't be all I'm worried about. I would be quite content to only allow civil unions if, and only if, they had the exact equal rights as a marriage. Marriage by any other name is still what they want.

if all you are worried about is that they will not have visiting rights in the hospital i would rather our government just develope some kind of document that gave their "significant other" those rights. i would rather agree with that (not saying that i would) than gay marriage

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gays are not being denied jobs or anything else that blacks use to be denied, just marriage.

Even if they aren't denied jobs, they are denied things like visiting rights if their significant other is in the hospital and they only allow family.

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would prefer if you would not compare people of different races to gays,they aren't the same.

Race and sexual orientation are not the same, however, they are similar in many ways.

yogore, gays are not being denied jobs or anything else that blacks use to be denied, just marriage. i would prefer if you would not compare people of different races to gays,they aren't the same. (i am not meaning to offend anyone)

Celtic,
We'll try to keep name calling and really off topic arguments to a minimum.
^__^

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don't think everyone can be expected to pull a 360 degree change. There are far fewer personal insults then there have been which is alarge part. I'm not sure if I would quite classify it as arguing either.

I know but I'm just so tired of it....I don't want it to happen again...

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Because:
1. I don't smoke
2. I don't support abortion
3. I don't cuss
4. I don't think casual sex is fun
5. I don't do drugs
6. I give good advice
7. I believe in God
8. I don't commit suicide
9. I don't watch porn
10. God loves me and I love Him

But what makes those the right things? Don't tell me it's the bible, because it's not. I am wondering why you believe all of these things make your way the right way and everyone else's the wrong.

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ANyone argues, I'm reporting. I quit arguing with jamaica, why won't everyone else? The threads get ruined.

I don't think everyone can be expected to pull a 360 degree change. There are far fewer personal insults then there have been which is alarge part. I'm not sure if I would quite classify it as arguing either.

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If you speak of equal rights, why do you support abortion?

We should save that for an abortion thread. But we've been over this. I veiw a fetus differently than someone who has been born.

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If you speak of equal rights, why do you support abortion? Every human life form being born or is about to be born should have the right to life.

I agree to the right to life, however, I don't think that the government should set a standard like that for everyone.
And, once again, I am pro-choice not pro-abortion.

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No, pro-choice is still pro-abortion. Even if you don't have abortion, but when you are pro-choice, you still have abortion in your list. It is all or nothing at all.

No, it is not. However, let us get off abortion and back to the topic that appears in the title bar of this page.


Celtic,
Thanks for clearing that up for me. Could you also check your email for me?

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I'm just lost. Can you just clarify what you meant?

ANyone argues, I'm reporting. I quit arguing with jamaica, why won't everyone else? The threads get ruined.

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riot

insane arguments criticizing one another, in this case.

Sorry if my spelling is bad, my keyboard isnt in the right place right now and I'm not used to it.

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Where in hell did you pull that from? Being pro-choice is different than "supporting abortion". You can be pro-choice and think that abortion is wrong,

No, pro-choice is still pro-abortion. Even if you don't have abortion, but when you are pro-choice, you still have abortion in your list. It is all or nothing at all.

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I support this because I believe in equal rights.

If you speak of equal rights, why do you support abortion? Every human life form being born or is about to be born should have the right to life.

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really??? What if I did ask them and they would say, "oh yes, we are really tired of it that is why we have joined in rallies on gay marriage to be made legal"

What, so now straight people can't support equality? Have you noticed that if only gay people supported gay marriage, there wouldn't even be a case because they're a minority?

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If you want to have kids, why do you support abortion???

Where in hell did you pull that from? Being pro-choice is different than "supporting abortion". You can be pro-choice and think that abortion is wrong, but the government shouldn't have a say.

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Because:
1. I don't smoke
2. I don't support abortion
3. I don't cuss
4. I don't think casual sex is fun
5. I don't do drugs
6. I give good advice
7. I believe in God
8. I don't commit suicide
9. I don't watch porn
10. God loves me and I love Him

The right path is a subjective thing. It changes from person to person. And, by the way, 6. is an opinion and obviously you don't commit suicide. You really had to stretch this to get 10.


Celtic,
I'm just lost. Can you just clarify what you meant?

Jam,
Cool it. Celtic is brighter than to post something like that without reason.