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Registered: February 24, 2005
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My school is soon to become a part of "Small Schools" some of my friends and i have shirts that say "the long term affects of Small Schools" amd then they have that timeline of man evolving, backwards from now to 2009 -- saying that we'll get dumber with small schools. i have been told several times to change my shirt while im at school. i find it threatening my freedom of speech. What do you think?
A fool-proof method for sculpting an elephant: first, get a huge block of marble; then you chip away everything that doesn't look like an elephant.
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Registered: April 10, 2005
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quote: Originally posted by bauhaus: quote: Originally posted by talkingtotherain: quote: Originally posted by bauhaus:
if we armed the teachers... there'd be no school shootings.
Unless a group of students jumped a teacher and took his/her gun. Or maybe the teacher stores the gun in a desk. And the student breaks in and takes it.
ok so a group of students share one gun which maybe has 7 rounds.. while the 150 other teachers all have a gun... come on now, people might be stupid but they arent crazy.
and don't forget the fact that the average teenager doesn't have that much experience shooting a handgun or home entry shotgun or whatever teachers decided to keep around. If they armed the teachers they would be mostlikely to carry a .22 or a .32 caliber hangun. Both of which are not very effective at causing enough trauma to the human body to kill instantly in one shot unless it is aimed precicely.
I was gonna say something meaniful, I was gonna say something wise, I would have said something that meant something to me, but I lost my train of thought
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Registered: September 19, 2005
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quote: They had this problem when I was in high school and the conclusion reached was that you had the right to wear what you wanted unless it would cause distraction that would harm the learning environment. If that is the case I couldn't figure out why they let the cheerleaders come to class in their uniforms, as I found that incredibly distracting...
lol.... this topic brings up an issue i had in high school.....in english class when we were assigned papers/poems to write, you know you cant use certain words.....i always felt like i couldnt express myself the way i wanted to....if it is something only the teacher will read why cant we express ourselves fully. (just to clarify i dont mean that everyother word is f*** that is in the paper or poem, or whatever....i just mean being able to be expressive without feeling we cant be honest, open, ourselves.
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Registered: June 02, 2004
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Got it.
Live and Let Live. Love and Let Love.
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Registered: September 29, 2004
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I think it was a quote from the website Khary listed at the bottom.
A lo hecho, pecho.
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Registered: June 02, 2004
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Umm, was the stuff in the quote your comment, or a quote?
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Registered: April 15, 2003
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quote: DO I HAVE A RIGHT TO EXPRESS MY OPINIONS AND BELIEFS IN SCHOOL?
Yes. In 1969 in Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School District the Supreme Court held that students in public schools � which are run by the government � do not leave their First Amendment rights at the schoolhouse gate. This means that you can express your opinions orally and in writing � in leaflets or on buttons, armbands or T-shirts.
You have a right to express your opinions as long as you do so in a way that doesn't "materially and substantially" disrupt classes or other school activities. If you hold a protest on the school steps and block the entrance to the building, school officials can stop you. They can probably also stop you from using language that they think is "vulgar or indecent," so watch out for the dirty words, OK?
Also, school officials may not censor only one side of a controversy. If they permit an article in the official school paper that says that premarital sex is bad, they may not censor an article that says premarital sex is good.
Courtesy of the ACLU.
Those who profess to favor freedom and yet depreciate agitation are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the roar of its many waters. Frederick Douglass
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Registered: April 26, 2005
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quote: Originally posted by joomiesta: quote: Originally posted by talkingtotherain: quote: Originally posted by bauhaus:
ok so a group of students share one gun which maybe has 7 rounds.. while the 150 other teachers all have a gun...
come on now, people might be stupid but they arent crazy.
Yeah, but teenagers can be suicidal. Or depressed. Those guys at Columbine killed themselves after they shot their classmates, right?
i believe they shot themselves because they didnt want to live with the punishment for what they had done...it wasnt so much suicidal, as it was running away from what they were scared of-punishment.
I'd say it 50/50. I wouldn't want to live with the punishment for shooting however many people they did, but if I had been pushed to the brink of taking guns to school and whacking my classmates...I'd call that depression.
"I came to a path diverged in a wood, and I, <b>I</b> took the one less traveled by. And that has made all the difference."<b>--Robert Frost</b>
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Registered: November 05, 2004
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Maybe someone can explain something to me: what is this "small schools" concept you speak of? Personally, I wouldn't find anything offensive in that shirt, but then, I don't know quite what it's talking about. But if it's a big deal for the school, then I guess they do have a right to ask you to take it off. I mean, spaghetti straps and midriff-baring never hurt anyone, yet you still aren't allowed to wear clothes like that in most schools. Heck, in Texas, some high schools ban facial hair. It's weird, but it is their right.
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Registered: February 24, 2005
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quote: Originally posted by talkingtotherain: quote: Originally posted by bauhaus:
ok so a group of students share one gun which maybe has 7 rounds.. while the 150 other teachers all have a gun...
come on now, people might be stupid but they arent crazy.
Yeah, but teenagers can be suicidal. Or depressed. Those guys at Columbine killed themselves after they shot their classmates, right?
i believe they shot themselves because they didnt want to live with the punishment for what they had done...it wasnt so much suicidal, as it was running away from what they were scared of-punishment.
A fool-proof method for sculpting an elephant: first, get a huge block of marble; then you chip away everything that doesn't look like an elephant.
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Registered: February 25, 2005
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quote: Originally posted by bauhaus:
ok so a group of students share one gun which maybe has 7 rounds.. while the 150 other teachers all have a gun...
come on now, people might be stupid but they arent crazy.
Yeah, but teenagers can be suicidal. Or depressed. Those guys at Columbine killed themselves after they shot their classmates, right? |
Registered: January 22, 2005
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This is an example of the problems with free speech. We get side tracked. However the right is not actully free speech, it is the right to freedom of expression. THis means through art, music, drama or wrighting. Excercise you right to freedom of expression in a more constructive way. This may sounded remarkably sad but channel your anger.
Only simple and quiet words will ripen of themselves. For a whirlwind does not last a whole morning, nor does a sudden shower last the entire day.
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Registered: March 09, 2004
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quote: Originally posted by talkingtotherain: quote: Originally posted by bauhaus:
if we armed the teachers... there'd be no school shootings.
Unless a group of students jumped a teacher and took his/her gun. Or maybe the teacher stores the gun in a desk. And the student breaks in and takes it.
ok so a group of students share one gun which maybe has 7 rounds.. while the 150 other teachers all have a gun... come on now, people might be stupid but they arent crazy.
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Registered: February 25, 2005
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quote: Originally posted by bauhaus:
if we armed the teachers... there'd be no school shootings.
Unless a group of students jumped a teacher and took his/her gun. Or maybe the teacher stores the gun in a desk. And the student breaks in and takes it. |
Registered: March 09, 2004
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quote: Originally posted by talkingtotherain:
I hate to break it to you, but the school is allowed to take away your Constitutional rights. (I mean, imagine if someone wanted to exercise the whole "right to bear arms" thing..) So, yeah, the school doesn't really care about your freedom of speech.
I mean, I would be pissed off too. But I don't think there's really anything you can do. Unless you get everyone to wear that shirt on the same day. Or stage a protest.
if we armed the teachers... there'd be no school shootings.
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Registered: February 02, 2004
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They can take away some rights for safety. The rules get fuzzy with clothing. "You learn about equality in the classroom but you find out about it in life" - Campus Confidential www.myspace.com/yogore |
Registered: February 25, 2005
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I hate to break it to you, but the school is allowed to take away your Constitutional rights. (I mean, imagine if someone wanted to exercise the whole "right to bear arms" thing..) So, yeah, the school doesn't really care about your freedom of speech.
I mean, I would be pissed off too. But I don't think there's really anything you can do. Unless you get everyone to wear that shirt on the same day. Or stage a protest.
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Registered: November 22, 2004
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They had this problem when I was in high school and the conclusion reached was that you had the right to wear what you wanted unless it would cause distraction that would harm the learning environment. If that is the case I couldn't figure out why they let the cheerleaders come to class in their uniforms, as I found that incredibly distracting...
"Mac, you ever been in love?" - "No, I've been a bartender all my life."
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Registered: December 14, 2004
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In actual society you have every right to wear that shirt. However, as a student in school you don't have the right. Schools (public or private) can enforce dress codes on students. If adminitrators find your shirt offensive, then I think you have to take it off. If this issue really bothers you, you shuld take it to the school board. To add on to Brehon thoughs, it seems as if there is no reason for wearing this shirt other than to **** off your teachers and schools. Personally, you should pick your battles and rebel in a more constructive way.
They'll like us when we win - Toby Ziegler.
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Registered: January 22, 2005
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The right to freedom of expression should be taken with a pinch of salt. I.e. you should be allowed to express yourself, but should think about the implications first.
Only simple and quiet words will ripen of themselves. For a whirlwind does not last a whole morning, nor does a sudden shower last the entire day.
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