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1. We work on getting rid of unwanted pregnancies. (No one give me: 'Teach abstinence only cause we all know that in some societies, that mindset is a bunch of bull.)

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Define why it is a "Bunch of bull". I can control myself, why can't you? Oh, I'm sorry for asking you to grow up, did I offend you, did I take away your "Feminine Rights"? Its not impossible, monks back in the dark ages went their whole lives without any sexuality.

We need to be realistic, teens are going to have sex you like it or not, at least they should be "prepared". It's totally dumb to expect people not to have sex, therefore not teach them the facts. It would seem that if you are against abortion you would want to make sure (at least for now, since it's legal) there were less abortions, well let me tell you something, teaching ONLY abstinence will not work.

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3. We make Birth control easily accessible. (Cause we all know people WILL have sex, no matter what you say to them)

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Well, then they deserve to have childeren, do they not? After all, while the human psyche is weak, it can be controlled. Like I've said, I can control myself, why can't you?

it seems like you aren't really against abortion, if you were you'd be trying to make sure less abortions happen, and birth control is one way...
It really pisses me off when I hear people talk about how they're against abortion but don't do anything to try to improve the situation we have right now, focusing on abstinence only does not work, we need to find other ways, and if you are agains abortion, besides trying to make it ilegal you could also contribute in finding other ways to prevent unwanted pregnancies(so there wouldn't be as many abortions)...but whatever.

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Is living in ignorance and denial bliss?

Many days, yes. And republicans do it enough with their love for Bush even though he's...well, I think it'll be bleeped out, so you get it. They live in ignorance and bliss everyday.

And, like I said, Joseph was visited by and ANGEL in his dreams. Kind of something that doesn't happen alot now-a-days.

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Define why it is a "Bunch of bull". I can control myself, why can't you? Oh, I'm sorry for asking you to grow up, did I offend you, did I take away your "Feminine Rights"? Its not impossible, monks back in the dark ages went their whole lives without any sexuality.

I think what she's saying is we teach it, have BEEN teaching it, but thousands of teens still have, had, and will have sex. That's just life for ya.

Instead, she's saying let's find ANOTHER solution because simply saying "Don't" won't make it stop.

She's not offending anyone, just telling it like it is.

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1. We work on getting rid of unwanted pregnancies. (No one give me: 'Teach abstinence only cause we all know that in some societies, that mindset is a bunch of bull.)

Define why it is a "Bunch of bull". I can control myself, why can't you? Oh, I'm sorry for asking you to grow up, did I offend you, did I take away your "Feminine Rights"? Its not impossible, monks back in the dark ages went their whole lives without any sexuality.

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2. We work on reducing the need for abortion among people.

That'd be not having sex if you don't want kids. Or am I infringing on your rights? After all, thats my impression of what sex was for.

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3. We make Birth control easily accessible. (Cause we all know people WILL have sex, no matter what you say to them)

Well, then they deserve to have childeren, do they not? After all, while the human psyche is weak, it can be controlled. Like I've said, I can control myself, why can't you?

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4. We find homes for all the children waiting to be adopted.

That has nothing to do with abortion. Abortion is the killing of childeren, which reduces the adopting-candidate population. This is another classic case of pulling at heart strings.

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5. Make sure that if there IS a need for Children's Homes, they are ALL exceptional in cleanliness and love, among other things.

Who is to gauge what a clean and loving home is?

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That was stupid to be tricking people like that and you know it, so shut-up.

Is living in ignorance and denial bliss?

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At least pro-choice gives you the CHOICE of doing what you want which is a constitutional RIGHT!!!

You sure about that? Last I checked killing human beings was looked down upon.

Now, my opinion on the topic is this: Everyone should examine their conscience and then form it to a humane level. Problems would indeed be solved.

*Note: I am under sever fatigue and sleep-deprivation right now, and will probably be back by tomorrow to apologize if any are offended.

sunny:

SHUT THE H*LL UP!

This board was made to gert AWAY from this sort of thing, shut-up.

It has never happened to you, so shut-up.

That was stupid to be tricking people like that and you know it, so shut-up.

There wasn't abortion in the first place back then, so shut-up.

Joseph was visited by an angel in his dream explaining everything, so shut-up.

At least pro-choice gives you the CHOICE of doing what you want which is a constitutional RIGHT!!!

SHUT-UP!!!

And, back to the REAL topic, I agree. We should just try to make better condoms or give out mroe info on it all. My FLE teacher scared the crap out of all of us when she went in to extreme detail about all the STDs and AIDS and junk.

Maybe something most look down upon, but hey, it worked.

I hold to what I said in my post about NOT putting up with anything that even resembled an abortion argument.

TwinsFan, Thank you.

sunny, i know you are new but i just want you to know that this thread was specifically created to avoid talking about whether or not abortion was ok or not. posting off topic is uncouth and should be avoided. there are other threads that are on this topic where your posts would be more appropriate. sincere thanks.

I'm sending this to make a point: a point many people aren't
understanding.
>
>
>
> Would you consider abortion in the following 4 situations?
>
> 1. There's a preacher and wife who are very, very poor. They already
have
14
> kids. Now she finds out she's pregnant with the 15th. They're living
in
> tremendous poverty. Considering their poverty and the excessive world
> population, would you consider recommending she get an abortion?
>
> 2. The father is sick with sniffles, the mother has TB. They have 4
> children. 1st is blind, 2nd is dead, 3rd is deaf, 4th also has
tuberculosis.
> She finds she's pregnant again. Given the extreme situation, would
you
> consider recommending abortion?
>
> 3. A white man raped a 13 year old black girl and she got pregnant.
If you
> were her parents, would you consider recommending abortion?
>
> 4. A teenage girl is pregnant. She's not married. Her finance is not
the
> father of the baby, and he's very upset. Would you consider
recommending
> abortion?
>
>
> In the first case, you have just killed John Wesley. One of the
greatest
> evangelists of the 19th century.
>
> In the second case, you have killed Beethoven.
>
> In the third case, you have killed Ethel Waters, the great black
gospel
> singer.
>
> And most of all. . .
> If you said yes to the fourth case, you have just declared the murder
of
> Jesus Christ.
>
>
> Note: More babies have been killed by abortion than all of the WARS
put
> together.
> Take a stand, save the babies, save a life...save a nation. VOTE
> PRO-LIFE!!!!
>
> IF YOU AGREE...pass it on.

I definitely agree with you Ikki14Reed. No matter what our opinion on abortion is, we should all agree with the fact that we should at least decrease the amount of abortions there are.

Adoption is definitely a hard process to go through. I had a friend who wasn't adopted until he was 17 about to turn 18, but it meant the world to him for his foster parents to be his adopted parents. He didn't want to have to worry that his mom could take him or his little sister back.

Peer pressure is a huge problem, which can cause unwanted pregnancies, and I think this is something else that might be hard to get rid of, but we have to find ways of showing teens what to do when they think there is no other way out. More clubs in schools maybe that can help teens deal with important desisions like this...

It is true that bc is very accessible, but I know that it is hard for teens to go and get it. I know for myself, I was ashamed. I think it is also very hard when teens parents don't talk to them about this stuff and I think it's important for parents to be more understanding and open as well as teens.

My mother works for planned parenthood and recently we tried to put together a fund raiser that would occur at my nightclub and with free advertising from a local rap/hip-hop station. We had everything good to go for Mardis Gras week and then my Mom's boss vetoed the fucntion, saying that some of our conservative donors (who donate sometimes hundreds of thousands of dollars) would turn their backs on us if we had a function at a bar and associated planned parenthood with a hip-hop radio station. Now I know that nebraska is conservative, but this is ridiculous. We were going to pass out pamphlets on safe sex as well as free condoms at a bar. Now call me crazy but alot of times people have sex with people they meet at a bar... wouldn't it be smart to promote safe sex there? Even an organization like planned parenthood is apparently powerless to educate us because some of their donors are too conservative... I never thought I'd see the day....

even if we try to get them in to sex ed i think it wont do any good i think that other people who have had an abortion need to go in and tell them what it is like, and as for birthcontrol down in canada we get if for free no matter how old you are, but young teens these days are embarassed to go in and get them or are scared their parents are going to find out.

Wow I never noticed this thread before. Sorry Ikki.

Just give them condoms. Plain and simple. People WILL have sex no matter what. That's just life. You don't magically get ***** only if you are 18+.

Childbirth is no more a miracle then eating food and a turd coming out of your ***.

But they are going to have sex. No matter what. Sex-ed or not. That's why we need to make ure everyone has sex-ed given to them.It doesn't have to be much, but birthcontrol information, condom usuage, etc. needs to be covered.

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Don't forget that many republicans are pro-life, but also against sex-ed, which has been proven to reduce the number of unplanned pregnancies.

OK, no. "Many republicans" are against teaching kids different sexual positions and different ways to have sex other than intercourse, and the many ways to put on a condom. That sex-ed does not stem the problem of sex. The fact is that the more sex that is being had, even with "condom 101" the greater the chance of pregnancy. There are always cicumstaces in which it isn't convienient to get one, or they don't have any and then a mistake is made. If only 5% of teens had sex there would be less pregnancies than if 50% of teens had sex, even with "sex-ed."

i am with you here. i don't think abstinence only is the way to go but maybe something more like abstinence plus (like from the West Wing lol). also referred to as everything but.

adoption is definitely a good option but we need to make adoption easier for people to do. we adopted my sister and it took four years to go through all the legal stuff and DHS (Department of human services sometimes called DSS, social services) etc.

birth control is fairly readily accessible and fairly affordable through clinics its just that high school aged girls are too afraid to go and get it for various reasons (people will think they are promiscuous, parents disapprove, whatever). that is just something that girls will have to overcome in order to protect themselves.

Don't forget that many republicans are pro-life, but also against sex-ed, which has been proven to reduce the number of unplanned pregnancies.

Bushism of the day:
"Perhaps one way will be, if we use military force, in the post-Saddam Iraq the U.N. will definitely need to have a role. And that way it can begin to get its legs, legs of responsibility back."
- the Azores, Portugal, March 16, 2003