This ought to get some debate flowing.

It's true. All of you who have been led to believe that Islam is sooo peaceful need not look any further than say, Saudi Arabia or Iran.

Women are second-class people almost, seen as mere property.

Then, of course you have the suicide bombers who believe the fairy tale of going to be with 80-some-odd virgins when they kill infidels.

Not all Muslims are like this, of course, but Islam was spread by the sword and it will cease by the sword.

which begets violence, which begets violence, which begets violence, which begets violence, which begets violence, which begets violence, which begets violence. With your reasoning, the violence would never end until we are all dead.

Look, I have gone against Churchianity as well, so why don't you all bring up those threads too. You make it sound as if I'm biased towards or against one religion.

I'm just as much opposed to teh violence the Roman Catholics and the Pope wrought as I am the Islamo-fascists.

Besides, the Messianic line traces back through Isaac, not Ishmael.

Arabs fight like crazy to say it was Ishmael, but it wasn't and it is not.


Peace isn't spelled sit back and be a diplomat either...but it's no secret that Islam was spread by violence. Violence begats violence.

Gayquestionare is totally right. Religion does not crete a harsh and unhumanistic society, intense suffering and hardship does. It has been repeated the same way throughout history: the Goths, the Huns, the Mongolians, all shared lives on the edge, and all became brutal fighting forces. In places that are not as hard, like Indonesia and Egypt, one will notice that a peaceful, cultivated life is budding.

Are you TOTALLY ignorant Joey or do you just act that way for attention because I haven't seen an intellegent post from you yet. Are you at all familiar with the religion of the Islamic peoples or are you just spewing trash that you saw or heard on the news? Really this is pathetic. Muslims are no more violent than anyone else. And don't even get me started on religious warfare. I don't know if you recall a little thing called the Spanish Inquisition! Only a massacre of peoples because the Christians didn't agree with their lifestyles. And some of it was totally senseless. And let's take a look at the Salem witch trials shall we? You want to talk about violent religion look at Christianity. Take a long hard look. For a religion which contains doctrine stating Thou shall not kill they were pretty murderous.

Ciao

I believe no religion is made to be violent but to bring people together under the pretext of faith. Nonetheless the way you interpret the religion can be the seed for radical groups. For example the Qu'Ran says that the Muslims will fight the "Jihad" or holy war if someone tries to bring them out of their homes through violent actions. Osama Bin Laden claims that the Jihad is currently going on in the war of US against Iraq and Afghanistan which has actually nothing to do with the concept of "Jihad". Another example are the crusades in which thousands of people were killed because the Catholics claimed Jerusalem as theirs because Christ had lived there.

...All religions were raised by the sword...

Nor is it spelt c-h-r-i-s-t-i-a-n-i-t-y. Deal with it Dauben.

Do you really think Islam is judged by Saudi Arabia?
what does they count for 1.3 billion muslim in the world?
Islam is judged by their books and teachings as the quran and hadith(their prophet's sayings)

Islam ,as a fact, is the most rapidly spreading religion in the world today not by the swords but by understanding ,there is 25 million muslim in europe,20 million in china ,7 millions in U.S.A ,No body imposed on them any thing not by sword or by air force

Instead of spreading islamophobic comments,
you should seek the truth without preservations.

There is an attempt to make Islam the 'other,' something alien, foreign and exotic. Muslims are here and part of the fabric of our society in the United States.

If any body wishes to learn more ,here you can
http://www.whyislam.org/877/

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Oh, do you really truly think christianity wasn't spread by the sword?

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Was it? Remember: the Crusades were not for spreading Christianity but for regaining Jerusalem for Jews/Christians.

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You are obviously forgetting Pepin the Short, Charlemange, the Romans, and all the other lovely Christian Missionaries who used bloody means to spread the faith.

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Oh, do you really truly think christianity wasn't spread by the sword?

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Was it? Remember: the Crusades were not for spreading Christianity but for regaining Jerusalem for Jews/Christians.

"One is to be discriminatory to other religions in short."

The Bible teaches religious intolerance as well. "Stone the man that leads you away from Christianity", and I also believe there is something in the N.T. I will find it, if you want me to.

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The Islamic religion follows the Koran, and they have certain "rules". One is to be discriminatory to other religions in short. However, from what my teacher told me, this is optional and a lot of Muslims choose to disregard this "rule" (i'm sorry i can't remember exactly what they are called.)

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They are called the "Pillars of Faith" or the "Five Pillars"

The way you make it sound you would think that everything violent is started by Muslims, which, of course, is not true.

The U.S. started plenty of wars. We are mainly (i don't mean to sound stereotypical)Christian nation. Most if not all of our presidents have been Christians.

The Islamic religion follows the Koran, and they have certain "rules". One is to be discriminatory to other religions in short. However, from what my teacher told me, this is optional and a lot of Muslims choose to disregard this "rule" (i'm sorry i can't remember exactly what they are called.)

if i got any information wrong, i apologize!

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Islam was spread by the sword and it will cease by the sword.

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Oh, do you really truly think christianity wasn't spread by the sword? Are you honestly THAT naive???

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Well, Islam may be vioeltn, but at least it's not hypocritical like Christianity in saying they love and forgive people.


I go to a Catholic school and i am Jewish (yes, thats strange i know, but its a long story)and all i hear in my theology class is how we should forgive EVERYONE, no matter what. I think that that is CRAZY, if you killed someone your shouldnt be forgiven, like many of the Muslim Extremists, they should not be forgiven they should be sent to hell for what they have done. This might sound mean but if you kill someone you shouldnt get rewarded in the end. If you killed someone and got rewarded tons of people would have killed each other by now.

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Yates claimed that God (or the devil, or some otherly-power) spoke to her and told her to drown the children.

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"On a double bed in a back master bedroom, four children were laid out beneath a sheet, clothed and soaking wet. All of them were dead, with their eyes wide open. In the bathtub, a young boy was submerged amid feces and vomit floating on the surface. He looked to be the oldest and he was also dead."

According to many investigators, a preacher named Michael Woronieckis (a Catholic HS peer of Yates') wrote the women letters containing "negative, troubling messages." "The letters say all women are descendants of Eve, and Eve was a witch... And women, particularly women who worked outside the home, are wicked."

Thus, Yates' defense was that she murdered her children for God; her children would only be guaranteed into Heaven if they were small, innocent, and uncorrupted by the sinful world.

I just wanted to apologize, frosted, as I really didn't understand what you were trying to say. Your stance is perfectly sane and not racist in the least, but I was misled when Joey titled his post "Peace is not spelled I-S-L-A-M" and said

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Islam was spread by the sword and it will cease by the sword.

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I completely agree.

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Unless I read that wrong, too, and you were agreeing with someone else. In any case, thanks for the clarification.

I feel that you're setreotyping. You shouldn't say tha Islam is not peace Islam is peace I think it just depends on the people who study it and their mindtstate... You shouldn't say that because are u muslim?? do u know what islam is and have u studied tha fith to say its not peace??? many people who study islam may be studying it for totally different reasons... u nreally need to recheck what chu wrote because if i was muslim and u said that and i read it no offense but i'd be out to get your *** because thats disrespect telling people something that u hardly know anything about... i don't mean reading the newspaper or watching the documentary that people put on the news.... if fact try to talk or become friends with a muslim person and maybe then you'll find out what islam is and whats its all about.... holla back

You know what? Islam is not spelled MIDDLE EAST EXTREMISTS.

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but Yates was insane.

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Having a mental disorder doesn't mean you are necessarily insane. Duh.

And I wasn't trying to insult Christianity, I was pointing out that, like you said, there are extremists in every religion. Duh.

And "ditto" didn't belong in your post. Duh.