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I myself can't afford kids,

listen to Bogey, bauhaus.. he said

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Then don't have sex at this time in your life.

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if i had a kid at this time, both of our lives would be very very bad.

well, that is just TOO bad. You see, in life, there can only be two choices... either you have sex and be responsible for anything that happens or wait and be carefree with your life

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The kid would probably grow up to be a bulley and steal stuff for its own needs since I cant supply them.

that kid should blame it on his father for planting his seed WAY too early for the right time.

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It would be immoral to kill the kid. Although the intention is good (save the 15 kids), the means at which you go about doing it (kill the one kid) is wrong. You would not be morally culpable for not killing the kid.

For something to be moral, both the ends and the means have to be moral.

Bogey is right.

The mothers right to liberty, life and the pursuit of happiness. Forcing her to do something she doesnt want is taking all of that away.

The fetus does not have those rights, it hasnt been born, its never breathed air, it has no citizenship, no SS number, nothing.

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I myself can't afford kids

Then don't have sex at this time in your life.

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Lets say there there are 15 people that are being held hostage. If you kill this one kid they will be let go and they all live and will be happy. If you dont kill the kid, all 15 will die, and you'll have to deal with 15 very unhappy families.

What are you going to do?

It would be immoral to kill the kid. Although the intention is good (save the 15 kids), the means at which you go about doing it (kill the one kid) is wrong. You would not be morally culpable for not killing the kid.

For something to be moral, both the ends and the means have to be moral.

Anyway, was that question supposed to have something to do with abortion?

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Originally posted by jamaica17:

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Wait im confused, prolife is really giving the mom the right to live her life the way she wants... so basically pro freedom? Its the same as prochoice.

so, like... you would rather live but not have children because the thought of having children is sickening?

I myself can't afford kids, if i had a kid at this time, both of our lives would be very very bad. Id have to drop out of school, work very long hours because I didnt graduate from college. The kid would probably grow up to be a bulley and steal stuff for its own needs since I cant supply them.


Lets say there there are 15 people that are being held hostage. If you kill this one kid they will be let go and they all live and will be happy. If you dont kill the kid, all 15 will die, and you'll have to deal with 15 very unhappy families.

What are you going to do?

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Wait im confused, prolife is really giving the mom the right to live her life the way she wants... so basically pro freedom? Its the same as prochoice.

so, like... you would rather live but not have children because the thought of having children is sickening?

Wait im confused, prolife is really giving the mom the right to live her life the way she wants... so basically pro freedom? Its the same as prochoice.

We have enough abortion threads. These same things have already been covered on other threads.

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Originally posted by RebelCowgurl91:
Look, fine, you can disaggree with me, and I'll respect that, but do NOT personally attack me just because you think you're better than my "kind". Hey, guess what! A cockroach is an innocent life too!

I am not personally attacking you...and I never said that I was better than you...How bout you put abortion in this perspective...If someone came and stabbed one of your loved ones for no reason wouldn't you be pretty mad..well that is what abortion is... and where do you get that the world is over populated???

Look, fine, you can disaggree with me, and I'll respect that, but do NOT personally attack me just because you think you're better than my "kind". Hey, guess what! A cockroach is an innocent life too!

"We have too many people as it is."

No, Rebelcowgurl, we have too many of your kind, people that think the world is over populated and think that murdering an innocent life is alright.

Oh yeah, and we REALLY needed that 1/3 more people pulluting the earth, right? Dude. We have too many people as it is. I'm not saying we should abort all babies, I'm saying that abortions don't really scar the population that much. It's not going to bring on our demise. I'm not saying I don't care about life. I'm saying that now that that life is no longer existent, it's not that big a deal in the first place. Go ahead, ask me. "What if YOUR mom decided to get an abortion with YOU?" Yeah, well, that wouldn't make much of a difference, because then I wouldn't exist right now and I wouldn't really care, now would I.