SO.....Your 16 you've had sex a thousand times and it would never happen to you.But it did...you are about to become a mom or dad.Well what do you do?Some people say you waltz right up to the clinic holding the hand of your significant other and get the abortion.There are other alternitives.
Point #1-You choose to have sex you knew what might happen.It is not fair to your child or to yourself to just give up.Abortion is for the weak and the lazy. Heres another thing...do you want do die with the knowledge that you killed a human being?this brings me to my next point.
Point # 2-An unborn fetus is as much a human as me and you.what makes someone human? According to Mr.Webster and Dictionary.com...A member of the genus Homo and especially of the species H. sapiens...just because someone is unborn this does not make them Homo Sapiens.
Point # 3-There are Alternative to abortion. SO what if you cannot raise a child? There are so many adoption agencies out there!They provide a home for the motherand so many other things. I am adopted.And I have the greatest family in the world and would not trade them for anyone.
Now...abortion is not illegal...nor would I make it illegal.If it weren't for means of abortion people would kill their babies w/ clothes hangers and ect. but here is an interesting fact....In the USA it is illegal to crack open the egg of an eagle.You dont even know that that egg is fertilized but abortion in which case you know that the egg is fertilized is legal..What is up with that??I can't harm a baby bird(not that I would)that I dont even know is gonna be a baby bird but I can kill a child. Is this what america is saying? Is this what your saying? Murder is ok.
I must say though that there is a case in which I find abortion to be ok..if the baby and the mother or just the mother are likely to die during birth. You might say well abortion should be ok if the baby will die or will have a serious handicap or wont live very long anyways.But yet again from personal expierience my mom has a serious birth defect she could have died or been ill or handicapped but shes not.She has some problems..her vertebary are fused together.but she would rather live w/ not being able to turn her neck than not being alive at all. And besides that every child is special.Even if they have a disabilty.Who are we to give someone...unborn or alive..death?

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6 months isn't that long, but the toll on the body is left even after the fetus is born.

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The toll on the body after abortion lasts longer than birth does.

I think that it's because we don't fully understand why they do the things they do. The only things we really know are based on assumptions. We should mainly worry about our species and why we do the things that we do. We can only solve one thing at a time. We can not try to reason with animals and ask them not to kill their offspring. Well not unless we're Doctor Doolittle or something.

Animals are not people, we know. But why does it matter? What puts US above all other creatures of a world in which we as well belong?

You sound drunk.

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Sarcasm and harshness are pretty common here, you shouldn't be offended by most comments made.

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OK first Things First....I didnt take it as sacrasm I took it as YOUR STUPID which Im not...Secondly Dont put religion in this please! If we do then ever one will say "well god wants us to do this" or "Allah says we shoud" or "Zeus says" or "Im athestis and I think"..Im not downing ne ones religion but just dont bring mainly christianity in to this..Thirdly ok Animals are not people Im not saying that they are not intelleget but they arent ppl. If an animal Kills its child it is different from if if we kill ours. Because they arent people...I breed cats. I have had mother cats to kill their young because they were suffering.But yet again CATS ARE NOT PEOPLE!

I should have specified and said in the animal world. The various animal species do things that are logically to them. Just as us humans do.

We're part of the animal kingdom, Ohio.

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That isn't abortion. Abortion is where you abort the baby before it is born. But if I were to answer that I would have to agree with earthgoddess, they do it because the area is overpopulated and they need the food to survive.And maybe If I lived in the animal kingdom I would take that to the animal court system and have the animals that do that recieve some serious cage time or something. Since I am still human, I think that I will worry trying to put an end to abortion for now.

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So if I murder my child after birth because there are already 100000 children in orphanages it's OK?

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No I never once said that anything like that would be right at all. I was stating that in the animal kingdom they do things that are logical to them. I think that killing a baby before or after birth is wrong. And as far as that goes, I think that murder without some sort of reasonal means is wrong all together. I hope that I'm clear on that part now.

Jamaica:
"ABORTION IS WRONG!!!!!!!!!!! CANT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT???"

Maya

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That is YOUR OPINION on the subject, if it were that simple abortion would be illegal(unless there are complications, etc) and we wouldn't be having this discussion...

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Isn't expressing our opinions the whole point of this web site?

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Yes obviously that's the point of this website, to express our opinions, but not like she did...

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So if I murder my child after birth because there are already 100000 children in orphanages it's OK?

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No, it isn't.

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That isn't abortion. Abortion is where you abort the baby before it is born. But if I were to answer that I would have to agree with earthgoddess, they do it because the area is overpopulated and they need the food to survive.And maybe If I lived in the animal kingdom I would take that to the animal court system and have the animals that do that recieve some serious cage time or something. Since I am still human, I think that I will worry trying to put an end to abortion for now.

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So if I murder my child after birth because there are already 100000 children in orphanages it's OK?

Ok thats all nice and stuff but what does any of that have to do with abortion?

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This is REALLY random, but what do you think of animals that kill their offspring AFTER birth?

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That isn't abortion. Abortion is where you abort the baby before it is born. But if I were to answer that I would have to agree with earthgoddess, they do it because the area is overpopulated and they need the food to survive.And maybe If I lived in the animal kingdom I would take that to the animal court system and have the animals that do that recieve some serious cage time or something. Since I am still human, I think that I will worry trying to put an end to abortion for now.

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I feel that humans are the only rational beings.

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No, we aren't.

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Animals do not have these things.

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Yeah they do.

The main reasons that some animals eat their babies are usually because they are starving and are desparate for food or the population in their territory is too high. They don't do it for fun or for no reason at all. It's part of nature and it helps them survive. Survival is the most intense instinct in every animal, including humans. We're not above them. Chimpanzees have morals. It's obvious when you watch their behavior for a while.

I really don't understand why people say things like that. We're not special. The reason why we have morals is not because of a higher being, it is because when we began abandoning the nomadic lifestyle years ago, we needed rules to keep order among large families or groups. And we are not the only animals that can make rules.

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I don't think it's really random. it has todo wtih killing offspring which is what you perceive abortion as.

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No, Ikki asked: "What do you think of animals that kill their offspring AFTER birth?", which is what I, and you, perceive as murder.

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If it happens in nature, why shouldn't people do it? Why only pro-human-life?

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Well, you could try to answer this as well. For the most part, you are pro-human life. You are against the murder against born people. Why is that? Other animals of the same species kill each other all the time without any care. Shouldn't we do the same? You should answer this question, too.

I feel that humans are the only rational beings. We can pretty much tell right from wrong. We have some sort of common morals are instilled in us, and we have some common moral guidelines by which we all live our lives. Animals do not have these things. I couldn't prove to you where we get these morals and this reason, but we have it nonetheless. One could only suspect it to be from a higher being...God perhaps.

I don't think it's really random. it has todo wtih killing offspring which is what you perceive abortion as.

If it happens in nature, why shouldn't people do it? Why only pro-human-life?

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This is REALLY random, but what do you think of animals that kill their offspring AFTER birth?

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Very, very random....Well, I am going to say that I have no opinion on the matter. I am completely indifferent to it. I don't know what else to say.

This is REALLY random, but what do you think of animals that kill their offspring AFTER birth?

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That is YOUR OPINION on the subject, if it were that simple abortion would be illegal(unless there are complications, etc) and we wouldn't be having this discussion...

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Isn't expressing our opinions the whole point of this web site?

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6 months isn't that long, but the toll on the body is left even after the fetus is born.

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Abortion affects the body of the unborn human in a way that kills it. The effects a woman experiences do not end her life.


The abortion issue primarily involves to humans (the mother and the unborn). Both these humans deserve the right to live. A pregnant woman should be forced to birth the child, unless she will die in the process (in that case, the method that would ensure the most lives should be acted upon).

6 months isn't that long, but the toll on the body is left even after the fetus is born.