The truth hurts, depending on which worldview you subscribe to. Those who have witnessed the utter destruction of the United States of America all point to one progressive happening: moms going to work.

The Leave it to Beaver days are over, but the real reason we have plummeting morals and value systems, as well as "trends" to be super-tiny-thin and "bisexual" (that's a trend these days) is because the politically incorrect method of parenting -- moms staying home to raise their children and tending to the home -- has been torn apart.

Yes, political correctness would have you say that women should be independent (which they should be) and be able to make decisions on their own (I agree), as to where to work, etc.

But then again, paying for the outrageous society we have - the overconsumption of services, food and sky-high taxes - forced mothers to get a job to help pay for all of it, which in turn, allowed TV and political correctness - i.e., rampant feminism - to raise children.

No, there is nothing that can be done now, because the situation is so bad that a yield to the 1950s era would result in unfettered chaos.

I'm not calling for a return to anything, other than to point out that this country's problems started when moms went to work.

Children used to have manners growing up. People were told "yes ma'am, no sir," gentlemen opened doors for ladies and girls, young boys opened the passenger side door for their dates before getting in their car.

We had a system of chivalry almost in this country. We had parents who were involved and who cared and loved their children greatly.

Now we have a society that raises our kids to do whatever the hell they want, when they want to do it. Children have more rights than their parents now.

Why did it come to be this way?

Moms started going to work...of course, this was a progressive thing, it wasn't like the country went to Hell overnight. But, let me clarify that I am not saying women should not have the rights as men do, but that even they are infused with the PC-feminist ideology that they can do things independent of any man when they're married.

To me, personally, I think that's a crock of bull****.

Families used to be that: families.

We don't have that anymore. We have a cesspool of a secularist ideology that is hellbent on raising our kids for us.

To me, that is a byproduct of our moms not being at home.

ok...

uh....yeah thats what i said.

yea but believe it or not, people do think like this...and they are all nazi militants. I don't know who this JoeyDauben is, but I wouldn't doubt that he is one of them.

LOL - gotta love the sarcasm... Erm... sometimes...

Edit: this post was to sarcastic to see the light of day

Oh my god! Really? Are you serious?!?!?!

Joey.. sexist?!

Okay women don't need manners....okay then guys start slamming doors in their faces and not giving a damn what they think if women don't need manners I sure as hell don't see why the hell I should waste my time with them

so you're saying women shouldn't work?wait why am i asking that is totally what you're saying. and women dont need manners we act the way we want to we need men like a fish needs a bike. you're a shallow whore and sexist

I completely agree with youholliewood

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Originally posted by Holliewood:
And yes Kate, a full sentence is too much to ask.

lmao

no my comment was not directed at you... it was for the magnanimous idiot who wrote a collection of the dumbest statements I have ever read. Then, I was thinking about addressing this issue and arguing with him, but then I realized something which saved me alot of time and frustration. The person who started this thread is a "him" and by the sounds of it is extremely ignorant, as well as arrogant, and THEREFORE it would be a useless attempt to reflect some reasoning and common sense on yet another sheltered, whiny, white boy.

Because you see, the country's troubles did not start with moms going to work. It started when men decided that since they do not carry any physical responsibility for the creation of mankind, then they do not need any responsibility whatsoever. I think it might also have started with the assumption that women are the only ones who have the capability of raising a child, taking care of a child, and teaching "manners." I don't know about anyone else, but I take RIGHTS over MANNERS any day. If someone wants to act like a school boy b!tch, then that is their right. There have been bratty kids since the beginning of time. Are you gonna do something to stop it JoeyDauben?

"The Leave it to Beaver days are over" ? Kid, don't even pretend like you grew up in the leave it to beaver days...you don't even know what the *&^% that means! Maybe someday you will develop a brain, but until that time I hope you realize that the world's problems cannot always be blamed on your mother.

And yes Kate, a full sentence is too much to ask.

I'm not dissagreeing with you star, well not entirely. But I think that kids need to realise that a lot of the time the parents don't have any other option. They can either take care of themselves of end up starving because there parents have to spend evey waking moment with them. Both my parent work full time, and my dad is a farmer so a good deal of the time he works more than that, but yet I still managed to be a fine person.

And Holliewood, I guess your comment was directed at me? If you must insult me, please, try to make it a full sentence, if that's not too much to ask.

b!tch please

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Originally posted by Kate127:
Here's an idea, lets blame the YOUTH. They're the ones being idiots.

Yes, the youth can be idiots, but it just doesn't happen overnight. Now, I'm not trying to discredit the fact that moms cant't/shouldn't work outside of the home becaue I think that it's their option. But if the parents aren't there to supervise their kids or know what is going on in their kids lives then the only other option is for the kids to act stupid.

OMG Joey you are a self rightous ass. How can you blame women for the demise of todays youth? Here's an idea, lets blame the YOUTH. They're the ones being idiots. And why does it have to be the mother who stays home? What about the fathers out there? I find it extremely uppseting that you can view the world like that.

english please?

no people OUR PROBLEMS started When RAsisM staRted Der DA der

While I am planning on being a big career girl...I also see how women-in-the-workplace contribute to the breakdown of the family structure.

I think that when children are raised by someone other than mom or dad (or in some cases, a close family member), they feel the need to somehow get the attention they are lacking. The family across the street from me has 3 kids...with both parents working full-time. The middle kid (boy) is a really nice kid, but ended up suspended for smoking pot at school. The counselor is linking it to the fact that he is left to fend for himself after school until like 6 o'clock (he's in middleschool).

However, this whole issue is not because women are working, it is because both parents are working. Having a stay at home dad is a perfectly viable option, but there are few guys whose pride could handle it. Some examples:
1)My best friend's dad stayed at home with her brother and her until they were in school full-time, all while her mom worked.
2) My dad used to work during the day while my mom stayed at home. Then, my mom would take evening classes in order to get her RN in nursing, so my dad would sometimes be in charge of dinner and getting my sister and I ready for bed. The most vivid memories I have from my childhood are when my dad would read me a book every night before I went to bed. My mom started working outside the home once my sister and I were in school. (She continued to work part-time during the summer, during which my sister and I stayed with a friend-of-the-family who ran a daycare out of her home...she was very strict, but we had a lot of fun.)

It doesn't need to be traditional to work...

[QUOTE]Originally posted by iamastar:
How 'bout dad staying home and raising the kids? It takes two to tango and make a baby. Good parenting can still be done when both parents have to work. /QUOTE]


Dads should stay home if the mom wants a job. I mean at least he could change a few dirty dipiers here and there. It's not going to kill him. (The poopie ones might knock him out for a few hours!) She gave labor to the baby, carried it around for Nine months! Having a baby inside of you is like carrying a 2 pound box around for about 3 months. I'm not finished, I just have to go cause I need to!