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Registered: August 30, 2003
Posts: 125
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quote: Spanking", i believe, is a way of discipline... you can spank your child as long as it isn't abuse. Abuse means you spank your child 24 hours a day, 7 days a week or whatever..... You can discipline your child if he/she has done something wrong and if the child is disobedient."
I am aware that this is the way it is in most countries in the world. I was stating the opinion (one which is held up in the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, and legislated by 9 countries, by the way) that a parent's right to hit their child is a violation of the child's human rights; That it is wrong to induce pain in anyone for the purposes of power and control. Spanking is a bigger person physically assaulting a smaller person in order to control their behavior. To discipline means to teach, and all spanking teaches is that you should obey your parents or they'll hurt you-no moral judgement needed, just fear. Some people argue that you can't talk to younger children, that they won't understand, but if they are incapable of understanding how what they did was wrong, then they can't be held accountable for it anyways. Hitting them won't make them understand any faster. quote: which is probably why children will listen to their parents and what they have learned would slip into one ear and then the other and then they go out and do drugs and other crimes...
i really don't understand what you're trying to say. Please explain your thoughts in sentences. quote: adapt??? To what society?? A society wherein moms work 24 hours a day and not be able to take care of the house and kids?? I think moms CAN work, but they have to prioritize the kids and the rest of the family members. Besides, one parent working is GOOD enough
okay, saying that we live in a society where moms work 24 hours a day is a tad bit of hyberbole. there is absolutely no reason for a father not to stay home and look after the house and kids. and it's true that sometimes both parents need to work for their families to subsist. quote: Children in the 50's grew up up and were the adults of the 60's and 70's.And as most people know they were stoned all the time
It's not true that all children of that era were stoned all the time. There were several subcultures, just like today, and not all of them involved drug use.
An eye for an eye makes the world blind
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Registered: November 25, 2002
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No the trouble started when we first started going to war,and helping out other countries.I know it is a good thing to help out other countries,but you have to think about the out come.Children in the 50's grew up up and were the adults of the 60's and 70's.And as most people know they were stoned all the time.The country also wasn't at war during most of the 50's. I agree with the whole thing about children oof today not having any respect, and that is the parents fault, but what does mama going to work have to do with it?Some people choose to have many children ,therefore both parents have to work.Then you have to think about how many "dead beat" dads there are, leaving a the mom to take care of the child.When you find a child that runs off of solar energy alone..contact me. The economy doesn't look like it is getting any better,so the mom has the choice: raise my kids the "correct" way and let let them die of starvation, or go to work, make some money, raise my kids and call it a day. This is just my opinion, but I dare my future husband to say I should be the one staying at home,why can't the man? Since you feel we are all equal why does the woman have to stay home? Answer that? Leave it to Beaver, is television not reality..so get over it.
Nyssa
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Registered: March 29, 2003
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one parent working is good enough is a very highly genenralised statement..it totally depends on how much ur other parent earns..plus its always gud to ahve ecnomic independence...u never knw when what happens cuase everything in life is very uncertain.....i mean having one parent at home is a luxury for most when u come to think of it.....
Dont let ur studies interfere with ur education!!!!!
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Registered: August 17, 2001
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quote: adapt??? To what society?? A society wherein moms work 24 hours a day and not be able to take care of the house and kids?? I think moms CAN work, but they have to prioritize the kids and the rest of the family members. Besides, one parent working is GOOD enough.
Do me a favor, okay, Jamaica? Go look up the amount needed for family of four to live decently in America, then look up the average salary of an American worker. My mom started working full time when I was in kindergarten. She started part time when I was maybe 3 or 4. I'm fine. My brothers are fine. As long as the parents have time for the kids, I don't see a problem with both of them working outside the house. I still hold for a reading and book discussion of The Feminine Mystique
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Registered: December 16, 2004
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quote: Societies change, and instead of pointing fingers and passing moral judgements, I think we need to adapt. If you think that your children need a mom at home, marry a woman who feels the same way and leave everyone else alone. Secularist ideology isn't the only ideology with followers that try to raise other people's kids for them.
adapt??? To what society?? A society wherein moms work 24 hours a day and not be able to take care of the house and kids?? I think moms CAN work, but they have to prioritize the kids and the rest of the family members. Besides, one parent working is GOOD enough. |
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Registered: December 16, 2004
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quote: hahahahahahaha. that is so untrue. parents can physically assault their children and not get in trouble if they can prove it was "spanking"
"Spanking", i believe, is a way of discipline... you can spank your child as long as it isn't abuse. Abuse means you spank your child 24 hours a day, 7 days a week or whatever..... You can discipline your child if he/she has done something wrong and if the child is disobedient. And yes, i believe children have more rights now..... which is probably why children will listen to their parents and what they have learned would slip into one ear and then the other and then they go out and do drugs and other crimes...  |
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Registered: December 16, 2004
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quote: You live in the Philippines; NOT America, which constitutes this entire discussion.
Jesus.
Also, why does anyone acknowledge Joey other than for entertainment purposes? He's just holding some deferred teenaged angst due to his own social problems, so he comes here to pïss you all off.
SO WHAT??? This is a social issue among us and it doesn't constitute ONLY in America. For all you know, this is happening in other countries as well. Besides, I am glad Joey has brought this up and NO, it is not for entertainment purposes. I don't find it ENTERTAINING when you speak of issues like this. Maybe to you, it is... but to me, it isn't. And oh, by the way, you are just talking like this because YOU have nothing ever NICE to contribute. |
Registered: August 30, 2003
Posts: 125
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Joey, why shouldn't dad stay home and look after the kids? Why doesn't dad say "Johnny remember your manners and say 'thank you'"? quote: Children have more rights than their parents now.
hahahahahahaha. that is so untrue. parents can physically assault their children and not get in trouble if they can prove it was "spanking" Children's rights always have to be exercised through a third party. A child, for example, can't exercise their right to use the justice system without a guardian ad litem. A child cannot make their own decisions about what they do or where they go without parental consent. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with this-there are reasons children are supervised-but there is no way kids have more rights than their parents. There have been totally messed up families and drug addicts and crime and rude children for CENTURIES. The only difference now is that there are more people, less separation between groups of people and much, much more communication. All of this seems to make a huge portion of the north american population take on other people's problems every time they pick up a newspaper or watch tv. The idea of community has been stretched to unrealistic proportions (like, thinking of an entire country as a community?!). People accept these enormous super-communities (that not too long ago would have been seen as hundreds or thousands of communities) as theirs and wind up feeling powerless when they are unable to change all of the problems contained within them. I really don't think that a lack of spoken sirs or madams or any of those other somewhat old-fashioned gestures of respect actually say anything at all about whether or not people respect each other. Anybody can say "yes sir" and open the door for somebody, and be thinking "I hate you you stupid wanker" and then go and smash up their car with a baseball bat or something. Real respect is in what you do, and the content of what you say. Societies change, and instead of pointing fingers and passing moral judgements, I think we need to adapt. If you think that your children need a mom at home, marry a woman who feels the same way and leave everyone else alone. Secularist ideology isn't the only ideology with followers that try to raise other people's kids for them.
An eye for an eye makes the world blind
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Registered: January 07, 2005
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I do agree in short that our country problems started when mom went to work, left their children with strange caretakers who hammered their own behavoir into the heads of...
Family is the smallest and most inportant unit of any society. family gives birth fo good society, church, government, etc.
so if children cannot be properly trained or disciplined in thier respective families, we will observe the disintergration of the societal fabrics, norms, values, and the wearing away of the family and replacing it by ones we are seeing arround.
Our problems also started when dads went to work.many dads are to busy to spent time with thier own children, busy to fill in the gap of the moms just in their absence, they also failed to support thier families; thereby leaving society vulberable to family (moms and dads)negligence.
what so ever the case the Most Supreme is eying us.
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Registered: August 17, 2001
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quote: I am not saying that women cant go to work or have jobs. We can. All women can. But as parents, and as future parents, we should be able to realize what is IMPORTANT and what is important is our kids. THAT is our PRIORITY. To be able to raise our kids morally upright and to be able to see them grow up successfully.
You live in the Philippines; NOT America, which constitutes this entire discussion. Jesus. Also, why does anyone acknowledge Joey other than for entertainment purposes? He's just holding some deferred teenaged angst due to his own social problems, so he comes here to pïss you all off.
"We know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling"
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Registered: December 20, 2002
Posts: 122
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Whether a mum should stay at home depends on what kind of person that mum is. Staying at home and looking after the kids suits some people fine, but a lot of people want more in their lives than that, so saying that kids would be better off if their mums are with them all the time is way too simplistic. What if the mum is so frustrated with being stuck with her kid all day that she wants to top herself? A depressed mother is not likely to be a good one, so whatever makes the mum happy as an individual is the right choice to make, even if that means getting a carer or putting them in daycare. Also it's worth considering the money issue- a lot of families these days can't survive on a single income.
Kids being allowed to do 'whatever the hell they want' is to do with how their parents raise them when they are around, not how much they are around, (which a lot of people have said on this thread so I'm just repeating, really). In an ideal world all parents would be models of patience and virtue, but a lot of parents just aren't good with kids! Every family is different therefore it varies what is best for the child.
Joey harking back to the 50s as a model society is a tad ridiculous, seeing as he was never alive in the 50s… society has ALWAYS had problems, so any kind of golden age is a myth. In the 50s, women had a lot less freedom than they do now, and women IN the workplace has been beneficial to both them and to business, in my opinion.
Strangelove also makes a good point when he says that all those stay at home 50s mums raised a bunch of hippies- lots of drugs and free love, not so much the law abiding, well mannered models of youth Joey seems to be after.
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Registered: March 11, 2002
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Ah Joey, maybe we're wrong. Clearly the problem is actually the lack of education. No one seems to be able to use punctuation!
The hardest things in life are often the most worthwhile.
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Registered: November 28, 2003
Posts: 12
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The fact is, mothers going to work did not cause the complete lack of morality that is evident in our nation today. If mothers began working and the parents raised the children together (read: the father picks up the slack when the mom begins to work) our society would have no problem. However, that isn't happening. The mothers are not the ones to blame for this. Raising a child is a joint effort, now more than ever, but in this day and age parents are failing to treat it as that.
The beginning is always today
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Registered: February 22, 2004
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quote: The Leave it to Beaver days are over
Joey Leave it to beaver was FREAKING TV SHOW!!!  quote: But then again, paying for the outrageous society we have - the overconsumption of services, food and sky-high taxes - forced mothers to get a job to help pay for all of it, which in turn, allowed TV and political correctness - i.e., rampant feminism - to raise children.
Yah we get stuff from the goverment by paying taxes its how most of us get educated and dude feminists are standing up for their half of the species against knuckle draggers like you and yKnow the funny thing here is every one (not here mostly) says I'm a caveman or a jarhead cause I want to be a Marine Officer but you know in general I am all ways polite I open and hold doors for people I use the word sir or maam just about every sentance ever here the term an Officer and a Gentleman now if your theory is true how the hell did I turn out this good my mom works yet I want to go to one of the toughest colleges in the country and get in to one of the toughest military orginizations on the planet explain that Joey
"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
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Registered: January 08, 2005
Posts: 35
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OK I absolutely agreee with you!!!!
Only you can change you but if you want to change someone else open there eyes.
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Registered: September 28, 2001
Posts: 279
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Joey, your post makes me so outraged I don't even know where to begin!!! For one thing, women have always worked. Who do you think ran the whole economy during world war two? how do you think women with dead or alchoholic husbands survived? They didnt just go, "hm, i think i'll stay home and be with the kids today, because i dont want their morals going down the drain so they can become violence addicted bisexual drag queens", did they? There have always been women who have worked, regardless of what time period or society they lived in. women started getting out of their houses and into workplaces in a major way just about fifty years ago. Hm, wasn't that about the time that black people started their civil rights movement? Don't tell me that your going to start blaming black people for the moral decay of our society, now are you? sometimes things just happen to happen along parallel timelines, without being causal to eachother. besides, what about all of those men who are workaholics and never see their children, and leave them alone with the mothers and nannies? arent they contributiong to the so-called moral decay of our society? arent they teaching these children to grow up in single parent homes where women and children arent respected enough to be given the time of day? societal evolutions are caused many a vast array of different things, and you have absolutely no right to assume that you know enough to go blaming it on one thing.
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Registered: August 17, 2001
Posts: 5811
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I'm so glad I've matured and become wiser...
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Registered: January 08, 2005
Posts: 35
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[QUOTE]Feminist garbage. That is pure feminist filth[quote] You are so blind...you say that yes women have the right to do as men do yet...you say that women need to stay at home? Make up your mind..to me it seems as if you are one of those guys that wants to have 3 to 4 wives and come home the house be clean your dinner on the table by 5:00 oh and your wife only caring about making you feel comfotable...well reality needs to SLAP you...because guess what that ain't happening...if you want to control someone sleep with you remote because no and I mean no woman deserves to be treated like they are nothing!
Only you can change you but if you want to change someone else open there eyes.
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Registered: December 16, 2004
Posts: 751
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quote:
Children used to have manners growing up. People were told "yes ma'am, no sir," gentlemen opened doors for ladies and girls, young boys opened the passenger side door for their dates before getting in their car.
We had a system of chivalry almost in this country. We had parents who were involved and who cared and loved their children greatly.
Now we have a society that raises our kids to do whatever the hell they want, when they want to do it. Children have more rights than their parents now.
Why did it come to be this way?
Yes, i so agree with Joey. How come today'sfamilies and generations are falling apart? I have been raised as an individual to respect old people, to not say cuss words and even until now (i'm proud to add) that young boys and male teens still open doors for women or let older women have their seats. I am 18 now, soon to be 19 and yet, i wonder, how come everything is changing for the worse? Before, cuss words were prihibited in schools or at home. Now, they are used freely and sometimes, it dawns on me that this is why teens these days are becoming rebellious and this is because of the fact that children learn their values from other people more than in their homes. Parents should be the ones who will supervise and help their children to be a better person. Instead, i hear news about divorce, abortion, about parents not caring whether their child is doing drugs or not. All in all, this all comes to one thing: Parents should have the responsibility to raise their kids in the right way and children should have the responsibility to do things the right way.
I am not saying that women cant go to work or have jobs. We can. All women can. But as parents, and as future parents, we should be able to realize what is IMPORTANT and what is important is our kids. THAT is our PRIORITY. To be able to raise our kids morally upright and to be able to see them grow up successfully. quote:
Families used to be that: families.
I agree... When you come right down to it, families are the top #1 in our list of priorities. Our friends may come and go, we meet old friends, new ones... we meet strangers, we meet different kinds of people. But our family is our one and only. You cant change that. And whatever you do, wherever you go, the kind of person you are right now boils down to the kind of family you came from |
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This is precisely the problem today: quote:
If you think that women are the down fall your wrong it's having a man inpower that is wrong....
Feminist garbage. That is pure feminist filth. |
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