The "Face Off" counter argument is horrible.

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maharini15 says, "Women and men both need to shoulder the responsibility of raising children..."

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I've not once said that it shouldn't be both parents' responsibilities to shoulder the child-rearing load.

I said it is because of the fact our moms went to work that our children have grown up to be raised by society, TV, etc. instead.

The collectivist-State mentality that says the State owns you and runs your life says that Society will deem it best to raise your kid.

That to me is ridiculous, but is of no surprise. We constantly have to witness struggling parents make ends meet to pay for the State's increasing socialism.

The underlying theme in all of this is: Parental rights vs. State rights.

Does your child belong to Society, the Community, the State?

Or is it the responsibility of the parent?

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Did your dad not get paid, maybe he was a slave in the military.

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I never said my daddy didn't get paid. I simply said he wasn't home.

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why are these working moms having kids if they can't care for them? i understand single moms needing to work becasue they are the sole provider but both parents working to pay off the credit cards they maxed out ,on stuff they don't need, is irresponsible.

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My mama is a working mom and she can definitely take care of my brother and me. We are both intellectually and socially advanced. In addition, we are independent. This is not because our parents didn't show us love or raise us, it's simply because we weren't spoiled our entire childhood. My mama didn't have to work because my parents maxed out their credit cards or bought stuff they didn't need. She had to work because it costs a lot of money these days just to survive. And a Special Forces salary just doesn't cut it anymore. And you know what? I wouldn't trade my upbringing for anything. My mama gives me all she can. She works incredibly hard all day at the office, comes home and cooks and cleans for us, wakes up early, and starts it all over again. I would much rather have her in my life showing me how to love someone through actions and trying my hardest to be the best mama I can be, not just writing a check or hiring a nanny.

Where do I start? hmmm...well why can't men stay home huh yeah thats right cause they are ol so mighty I don't believe in that my mom has always worked hard and she raised me on her own...I am one of the strongest women I know out of all my friends I am the one with good morals b/c I watched my mom....Girls who have parents stay home they are the ones getting pregnant at 15 and 16 b/c well thats what there moms did...they want to raise a family...well what if your husband leaves you what do you have? nothing right?> well I am a hard workin FEMALE and I am proud and my man loves me for that!!! If you think that women are the down fall your wrong it's having a man inpower that is wrong....

My sister was raised at home; only my dad has the the full-time job, my mom owns a bakery-like store and she barely spent time on it, she's usually at home, therefore, having time to raise my sister. She, as in my sister, as in is now afraid of people outside my family. Kids, adults, it doesn't matter. She sees strangers and hides. Nice, nice. Raise a child with Social Anxiety Disorder.

Children raised at home suffer from being the weak ones at school usually for being too shy or too nice or just too naïve on this world. This is a harsh world, and, tienes que tener el cuchillo en la boca, or, you have to learn how to defend yourself.

I was raised in a similar situation; I was raised with adults and not kids. At school, I spent it till.... middle school, being the weak one, the shy one, etc. I suffered through it, basically. I got along with adults fine, but kids... no way, no how. I still am like that in a way, I would much greatly prefer the company of a 25 year old than a 16 year old. A hatred for teens has grown in me. Granted, many factors and events in my life have shaped me to feel this way, but I believe it started on the fact that I never set foot in a day care (I actually went somewhere for many hours when I started kindergarden).

Yet I don't agree with many day cares. Day cares these times have too many children and too little staff. There can be 40 kids and 3 staff members; that's insane. In that case, I believe day cares should be changed. I believe it should be, say, 2-3 teachers for 10 children. When you throw many kids with little staff members, all you get is some sort of crazy survival game within the day care center, which has turned my cousins into near violent children. They spent since their earlier days in a daycare, their mom was always shopping and didin't believe in nannies.

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why are these working moms having kids if they can't care for them? i understand single moms needing to work becasue they are the sole provider but both parents working to pay off the credit cards they maxed out ,on stuff they don't need, is irresponsible. there are also moms who feel that they need a career of some kind to make themselves complete because they feel that being just a stay at home mom isn't enough. its more than enough and if god is calling you to this job then it should make you fell complete.

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Daycare is one "teacher" to 30 crazy kids.

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Actually, there are very strict laws about day care. The younger the kids, the more day care workers there has to be.

It is to say that a child ought to be raised by parents or a nanny, not by a day care. However, it is not fair to attribute society's problems with a lack of stay-at-home-moms. It would be nice if one parent could stay home with their child at least until kindergaten. But that is unrealistic. Most families need two incomes to survive. The problem I have with Joey's post is that he suggests "moms" should stay at home, not fathers. I am not a feminist, by any means, but it takes two to produce and raise a child.

I had Three "nannies". I had a ratio of three nannies to one child. Daycare is one "teacher" to 30 crazy kids. I couldn't imagine trying to have any productive growth in that situation.

As am I. I am a better person because I was raised with a constant person in my life. I would not have wanted to be in a daycare or such. My nanny disciplined me and taught me lessons that I could not have learned in a daycare.

It doesn't take a village, it takes a parent.

I agree. My Mom would have made a poor mother. I am happy that our nanny raised me.

I was raised with a nanny and it was almost as good asmbeing raised by my mom. I am saying that a constant parental type figure is best for a child, not a day care where kids see their parent only 2 hrs a day.

I have a one income haousehold. Besides her dowry my mother doesn't contribute at all financially. But she doesn't do any chores or anything, we hire people to do cooking and cleaning. We have multiple homes, but she's is seldom at one of the homes. Mum is usually at Tiffany's or Saks. Spending What my father earns. You have a bourgoisie view of the world.

Did your dad not get paid, maybe he was a slave in the military. It is a misconceptions that it is not possible to have a one income houshold.

I don't agree with that at all. While I wouldn't want to have been raised by daycare, it really helped my family out. Even though my parents are still married, my dad spends most of his time away from home. For the first 9 years of my life he was in the Army. So my mama was basically a single parent. If it wasn't for afterschool or day care my brother and I would have sat at home, alone, for hours before she got done with work. I think it is a very good thing and, most times, a necessary thing for moms to go to work.