I do have to say that this idea is intriguing-- but women began going to work in the '40's during WW2 (remember? Rosie the Riverter?) Their work was a crucial part of winning the war. I think it was necessary for them to go to work then.

And I have to wonder what you mean by "our country's troubles." Because every country has troubles throughout their history. You could say our country's troubles began when Jamestown was founded. However, if what you mean is the lack of manners, decivilization, etc., then perhaps you are being pessimistic. Do you personally believe the stereotype that all teens are rude and vandalizing rebels? Because I don't.

But, yes, you do have a point. This kind of behavior began rising in the '50's. However, you're logic doesn't quite work. Think: what else happened in the '50's? First, rock and roll. Do you blame rock and roll on mothers leaving the home? And what happens with time? Technology advances. The internet, cable TV, etc. could all be blamed for these tends you describe, but are they related to women leaving the home? I doubt it.

I'd also like to wonder why fathers don't take a more active role in parenting. Both mother and father made the child. They should both care for it. And yet fathers seem to assume that it is a woman's responsibility. Explain.

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This is precisely the problem today:

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If you think that women are the down fall your wrong it's having a man inpower that is wrong....



Feminist garbage. That is pure feminist filth.

You ought to be shot.

I understand many of your points; but I don't agree with them. Out of my five closest friends (myself included), four of them have a mother and a father. Out of the five of us, all five of us have working mothers and fathers. The five of us are consistently in the top percentage of our class, and we pass almost every single class. (One of our friends isn't, let's say, a math kind of person) We are some of the smartest kids in the entire school.(Our school is 6-9) We are only some because there are a lot of bright kids at our school, by the way. I completely disagree with your statement. My mother has been working her whole life, and now manages her own business while raising my sister and I. My sister and I are constantly getting recognized for awards, joining after school groups, and we both have high aspirations. We are both committed to college and are passing every class with flying colors. The fact that my mom is a working mom does not affect me negatively at all. I have less time with her, but when I am with her, I try to make the best of it. (And I don't miss THAT much time with her anyways) By saying that "Our country's troubles started when moms went to work," you are saying that
A) You are a sexist person
B) You think that life was better during the '50s, when women had little or no rights and dreams, because men did everything for them.

You are a man, so that would not affect you the least bit.

However, for my fellow females out there, back me up-we all know that females in the workplace has never been a bad thing; only small minded people.

No offense intended, but your dad's a she?

I should slap the lot of you...
Reasoning: my parents both work, and homeschool their children at the same time. We're all pretty good kids, and smart too. My dad works to pay the bills and get us food, she works for not only that, but to help afford our school and if it wasn't for her working, we wouldn't be able to do the little things like, going to movies.

we are all the same i know lots of girls that do hard work face it girls can do any a man can do

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Originally posted by ampmaster:
quit talking about biology like you know what you're talking about. but yes men and women are naturally wired physically for diffrent roles but we have the intelligence to not half to worry about it.

lol, i find biology a good lowest common denominator in arguments like this.
Be pretty weird if men took maternity leave n women got drafted in the case of a war, wouldn't it? U dont employ a painter to do an bridge engineers job coz u dont have 2 worry about it.

quit talking about biology like you know what you're talking about. but yes men and women are naturally wired physically for diffrent roles but we have the intelligence to not half to worry about it.

MEN R NOT THE SAME AS WOMEN. In most species the male n female have different roles.
With humans, men fight the wars do the hard labour etc, n women do other roles like rearing the children. This may be politically incorrect but it is BIOLOGICALLY CORRECT. It gives a species a better survial chance (if it didnt the genders would have equal roles)
As a result of the gender differences, men want young and beautiful women (highest fertility), n women want rich strong powerful men (amongst other things, provides best for offspring).
I dont give a sht if this offends anyone coz its LIFE, and its BIOLOGICALLY CORRECT.

Im not sure this is the right board but...One of my best friends shes 13 and she got pregnet so she had to drop out of school. The guy who got her pregnet thought she was kidding so hes not gonna be any part of the babys life. Her parents kicked her out and now shes living with me. She had to find a job(which you cant get when your 13 and pregnet.). Shes had it hard and its only gonna get harder esspesilly without the guy who got her pregnet. I hope i got the right board. email me if want to ask me any qestions.

yea they are but CottonCandy still has to learn basic world history.

in my opinion women r just the same as men my mom is a single working mother so she takes the responsibilty of a dad and mom and she dose a really good job of it.

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Originally posted by phantom119:
wow.........you do go to history class right? Women rights are a relatively new concept. Look back to B.C., they always treated women as a secondary citizen. From the beginning of the colonization of America and before, Women were the secondary citizens. SO when did the country's troubles start? Wasn't when we didn't give Women rights, they lived with that for hundreds if not thousands of years.

Cottoncandy was referring to the United States and its 300-year history in the beginning of the 20th century, as was Joey in his post. Don't be an asshole.

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I think the country's trouble started when men refused to give women the same and equal rights as men And that was before women started working

wow.........you do go to history class right? Women rights are a relatively new concept. Look back to B.C., they always treated women as a secondary citizen. From the beginning of the colonization of America and before, Women were the secondary citizens. SO when did the country's troubles start? Wasn't when we didn't give Women rights, they lived with that for hundreds if not thousands of years.

I think the country's trouble started when men refused to give women the same and equal rights as men And that was before women started working.

Joey--

It seems to me like you have an overly idealized view of life 50 years ago. You have to understand that our perception of the 1950's is simplistic, nostalgic, and flat-out wrong.

Before women started going to work, they pulled no weight in society. If a woman was raped, or if her husband left her, she was the one who had to bear the shame. Also, since women couldn't hold jobs, they depended on husbands to provide for their children, which sucks when the man leaves or dies.

Also, our society didn't always look out for children like we do now. If a parent was abusive to a child, there was nothing that would be done to help that child; the child was little more than a possession at the mercy of the parents' goodwill.

Since women have started working, our society has improved in the way it holds men accountable. Now, husbands can't beat their wives and children; women who are raped can still hold their heads up high in society; also, poverty has decreased exponentially because now a woman has the option to work and support her family if she so chooses.

if my mother did not go to work i would probably be living in a garbage can in a trailer park. The reason the "Leave it to beaver days" are over are because people started to realize we didn't have to live by that "men go to work, women stay home to take care of the children and cook" BULL SH**

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The real problem is why are dads asked to stay home from work? Do they not have responsibilities as a parent? I don't believe anything can be proved that this is when our country's problems started. I think that the parents need to share the privilege of educating their children with manners and rules.

You're right.. it has been a bad thing for children. But not because the moms are now ignoring their duties, but because the responsibility of parenting isn't shared. Its still the mothers complete job to be the children caretakers. If some of the responsibility was shared with the father it wouldn't be such a problem. it shouldn't be a working person or a mother it should be both.

Katherine