Please don't revive Joey threads crazy newbies!! It hd died three months ago.

So your 1 of those guyz who think that women should stay home... Well your just being sexist If us women didn't go to work there'd be even more discrimination against women and even more men would think that us chix were inferior to u men So I have to totally disagree with you I mean If we didn't go to work (or weren't allowed to) then not every body would be equal like our country stresses so much

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Well it's been what? Two hundred years. A country doesn't fall in two centuries.[/QUOTEWhat? Yes it does.

Sorry, I can't buy into any of this stuff. People have been saying this kind of stuff forever. IE: That kids these days are without morals. Even plato said that back in the good old days kids respected their parents. In fact, that's true with alot of things. You never hear that now is the good days. It's always 50 years ago. Did you know there was a column in a newspaper about the commercilization of christmas....In 1870.

I don't know what part of your post offends me most, but it quite possibly is the gross generalization of "women" as white, upper class women who were stay at home moms in the 50s. I'm studying women in American history right now, and the trend of America's women in the workplace did not start there. Slave women worked the same kind of hours as their husbands did in the fields, and took care of the kids and the house besides. All kinds of pioneer and settler women did farm work and whatever else needed to be done to survive as well as taking care of kids. Then, of course, there has always been a class of prostitutes and other sketchier women who are just as American as your 1950s style housewife. Women on the fronteer ran many businesses, as well as women during the wars who worked in factories. In immigrant families at the turn of the century, it was common for the women and the children to have jobs.

The 50s was when more rich white women started to work, which may or may not have had an impact on the culture of their rich white male kids. Because, of course, you don't even mention the female kids, other than to say they should grow up and stay at home.

Girls want options, the same options as boys. You are proposing that they shouldn't have any. You deserve to be stuck running a daycare for the rest of your life.

50's were all fake. leave it to beaver was a tv show, not reality.

I kind of agree with JoeyDauben. My grandma pretty much is taking care of me and my younger siblings. I'm much more polite and etc. than they are though b/c I've picked up from example. I guess I do that b/c I'm the oldest, I don't know. My mom works all the time to support us since her and my dad divorced but things were good b4 that. All of us would act like a family, my mom would help teach us right from wrong and our parents would do things with us every chance they got. I don't mean that women should stop working, I just think parents need to spend more time with their kids. It really does make a difference. The idea of an average family has gone to ****. There's no changing that but we can save the youth and spend time with them b4 they end up worse off than adults are now.

OH, GOD, DO NOT GET ME STARTED ON 50'S MORALS.

My mother is one of the most racist people you will EVER meet. Not surprising, she was brought up in the 50's and 60's. I would hate to be part of all that. **shudders**

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Of course its not the only way of thinking, its the only way of right thinking.

Isn't that kind of a racist thing to say? Or, maybe not racist, but un-American? For not being open to others ways/beliefs? Sounds kind of hypocritical to me...

Well it's been what? Two hundred years. A country doesn't fall in two centuries. Give it another few hundred and then we'll see.

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Originally posted by CelticNewAger:
Until your country falls...

And we're all still waiting...

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22% of American voters in 2004 said they voted on morality. We've never had a number even close to that before.

If I was 18, I would've voted on morality too. And you can be damned positive that I wouldn't have voted for Bush. Morals are opinions and beliefs, not just one set of concrete truths.

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Of course its not the only way of thinking, its the only way of right thinking.

Until your country falls...

Ah.

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Originally posted by zzyzx:
I would say it's considered immoral to be a cannibal, but several tribes and other people would disagree with me.

And they are therefore uncivilized.

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I would say the sexism in the Middle East was immoral, but I bet a lot of them would disagree with me.

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I'm questioning your morals right now.

Good for you, big shooter.

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You're basically saying our (America's)way of thinking is the only way of thinking.

Of course its not the only way of thinking, its the only way of right thinking.

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No, I believe in absolutes. Morals are unquestionable around the world. There is no such thing as Western morals, only morals, period.

I would say it's considered immoral to be a cannibal, but several tribes and other people would disagree with me. I would say the sexism in the Middle East was immoral, but I bet a lot of them would disagree with me.
I'm questioning your morals right now. They're different from my own in some cases.
You're basically saying our (America's)way of thinking is the only way of thinking.

Back to the topic of this thread, I'm not sure if someone mentioned it already, but in a magazine a while back I was reading an article about how all these moms going to work was having an adverse effect on our children. Moms should stay home with the kids, or at least dad. Day care centers can be an unhealthy evironment for a child to grow up in.

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Originally posted by liberalhugger:
Ah. So as in morals, you refer to the more common place conservative idealology that was present in the fifties. But then again, I suppose we can both agree that morals are opinions.

No, I believe in absolutes. Morals are unquestionable around the world. There is no such thing as Western morals, only morals, period.

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Even so, the deterioration of the "morals" of the fifties that you stated have nothing to do with women joining the corporate world. That is an absolutely unfounded comparison. Show me one shred of evidence linking mothers who work to an increased rate of "immoral" behavior in their children.

I never said it had anything to do with the woman's lib movement. All I'm saying is that I'd take the '50s over today.

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Morals are not evaporating, they are changing. What you are witnessing is social evolution.

We are witnessing a social revolution, but morals are not evaporating, they're coming back. 22% of American voters in 2004 said they voted on morality. We've never had a number even close to that before.

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Originally posted by reactionary05:
We also had an anti Communist Hollywood, proper public schools, a postwar economic boom, a pro America media. We didn't have any illegals, feminazis, environazis, and our college professors didn't think Americans killed by terrorists were "Lil Eichmanns.'. The Pledge was mandatory, 'God' had just been placed in it, and government employees had to take a oath of loyalty. Abortion was illegal, there were no drugs on the streets, and we were locked in a glorious ideological war of good versus evil.

I'd say the '50s were a much better time. But then again, that's just the reactionary in me.

Ah. So as in morals, you refer to the more common place conservative idealology that was present in the fifties. But then again, I suppose we can both agree that morals are opinions.

Even so, the deterioration of the "morals" of the fifties that you stated have nothing to do with women joining the corporate world. That is an absolutely unfounded comparison. Show me one shred of evidence linking mothers who work to an increased rate of "immoral" behavior in their children.

Why aren't you also blaming the fathers for not being home with their kids enough to instill values and tradition?

Morals are not evaporating, they are changing. What you are witnessing is social evolution.

For example, before the twenties, women weren't allowed to vote, and were considered whores if they wore makeup or skirts above the ankle. I realize that many problems come along with progress, but to blame that on one trend is foolish.



As and afterthought: Please do not call me a feminazi. I believe in equal rights and treatment between men and women, however I also recognize there to be general biological gender differences. I strongly believe these should not define or confine a woman or man's role in society.

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i think we have less morals today then we did in the 50's.


Which morals? Segregation. Lynching. Race riots. Populist Communism.
All of these things were common place in the 1950's. So unless you would like to return to the days of lynch mobs and communism; please shut up. Thanks- FML

You hit the nail on the head FreeMarketLover

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ummm...have you seen bowling for columbine?

Um, no.

Yes, times change. The '50s were probably on a whole much better than today. But there were also worse parts, as FML pointed out. Today there is, on average, less segregation, less prejudice, and less freaking out about political ideologies. However, there are more drugs, more violence, more sexuality, less importance placed on education, etc. But there is little you can do to change it.