quote:

Are you a Gorean follower?


quote:
. If they were husbands who provided for their wife in every way, financially, physically, emotionally, intellectually there wouldn't be an unfulfilled desire in women's hearts that caused them to want a job or career


No, we just don't want to depend on any man. And what the hell do you mean by intellectually? Are you saying that women are more ignorant or just should throw off decisions to men?


quote:
women have motherly instincts


I don't. The only child I don't despise is my sister. And even her I feel like strangling every now and then.

What is a Gorean?

Are you saying that women are more ignorant or just should throw off decisions to men?
no not at all. But who wants to live the rest of their life with an idiot. I'm saying that if the guy was intelligent enough to have really conversation with type of thing. and no in any relationship, partnership or that sort of thing there has to be communication. Decisions must be made mutually.

I don't. The only child I don't despise is my sister. And even her I feel like strangling every now and then.
(i am assuming you don't have children) In every woman that i have ever seen with children of her own, i have witnessed some sort of nurturing instinct. With that said, It never comes out the same in every woman either.

I'm not trying to offend anyone especially the women out there.

And you know what else... you and I probably experienced Joey, that kids today dont get a whole lot of...


"WAIT UNTIL YOUR FATHER GETS HOME"

(catch that duel meaning?)

Holy christ, I wish I had stumbled on this sooner... Joey while your methods continue to be a bit perverse and quite to the point (some would say discriminantly so) I enjoyed this post... and your absolutly correct.

well then please tell me, what in yer thoughts is the reason for this digust of america to happen? in your case for example

quote:

SECODNLY, RAP IS WHEN OUR COUNTRY STARTED TO GO DOWN THE TOLIET, GO BACK TO YER GEHTTOS AND GET A LIFE U "RAP SINGERS" CREATING HORRIBLE THINGS FOR THE CHILDREN OF OUR DAY TO LISTEN TO U, ITS ALL YOUR FAULT......i have more choice words but i am sure if i use them i will get banned

Wow, You could have just stopped at the first part of your post. Rap has nothing to do with America being all ****ed up. My brother just got arrested. He doesn't listen to rap. Some kid next door broke into another kid's house, stole five hundred dollars, a digital camera and then crapped on the kid's bed.

He doesn't listen to rap either.

i am not discrimatoru and there is no nicer way to state that, our countrys trouble is exactly as i put it

bmint, are you discriminatory? You can not like rap music and say it in a nicer way.

first of all, a working mom is actually showing more compassion to her family because she sees that they need more moeny lets take for example, and she does it. it actually strenghtens children, showing them to be a little more independ, giving them a little more freedom. if this child is a good person then they will grow from it and become fucnton members of our society
SECODNLY, RAP IS WHEN OUR COUNTRY STARTED TO GO DOWN THE TOLIET, GO BACK TO YER GEHTTOS AND GET A LIFE U "RAP SINGERS" CREATING HORRIBLE THINGS FOR THE CHILDREN OF OUR DAY TO LISTEN TO U, ITS ALL YOUR FAULT......i have more choice words but i am sure if i use them i will get banned

Are you a Gorean follower?

quote:

. If they were husbands who provided for their wife in every way, financially, physically, emotionally, intellectually there wouldn't be an unfulfilled desire in women's hearts that caused them to want a job or career

No, we just don't want to depend on any man. And what the hell do you mean by intellectually? Are you saying that women are more ignorant or just should throw off decisions to men?

quote:

women have motherly instincts

I don't. The only child I don't despise is my sister. And even her I feel like strangling every now and then.

quote:

also men are built larger than women so it makes sense that they would carry the heavier objects and do more of the manual labor jobs and be the protectors so to speak.

Yeah, so the women would take the physically worthless jobs. Lawyers, doctors...

I am a guy, and I really see the need for change. I guess some of my thoughts on this topic would be: The trouble in our country didn't just start with moms going to work. It started with men not being men. If they were husbands who provided for their wife in every way, financially, physically, emotionally, intellectually there wouldn't be an unfulfilled desire in women's hearts that caused them to want a job or career. I know that God designed men and women differently, they have different desires and needs, and also they don't do the same things and play the same roles or at least they don't do them as well as a person more suited for it. i.e. women have motherly instincts, and i guess in my opinion can show affectionate love that a child needs much better than a man(that is not to say that men can't love or show it, just that women usually do it better), also men are built larger than women so it makes sense that they would carry the heavier objects and do more of the manual labor jobs and be the protectors so to speak.

quote:

You say that you are not saying that women souldnt have the same rights as men, but if you aren't then what are you saying? And even if a family is not a family without a mom being there for the kids, then a family is not a family without a dad either (not including familys witn two moms or two dads). Women who work are often critisised, but the sad truth is that "soccer moms" are critisised too. If its wrong for us to work, and wrong for us to stay home and run thehouse, then what are we supposed to do?

I am a guy so i don't have that kind of pressure, but i really think that your letting society tell you what is right and wrong, you can't base anything off of what society tells you or you will be totally ruined. There is only one right thing, only one truth, you should look for it. Personally the Bible has proven itself true over and over and i see that God's word is true. I'm not saying that its easy to follow what God asks or that it is something that you will want to do, but i will say this "I took the road less traveled by, and it has made all the difference." Don't go to the Bible with any preconcieved notions about it and don't trust the christians even the real ones to portray God as he is, they are human and they make mistakes. But the Bible is true and real and it is my solid foundation, hopefully you can find it(not it itself but a faith in Christ) as a foundation and a standard that doesn't change with society.

My friend's Dad stays at home with a special needs child while his wife goes to work as a doctor. And Their kids have manners.

I am going to college in case I don't marry or have a child. I have a backup plan. But, the fact is that women have the child, and, as of now, have the choice to keep the child or not. So the mom should take the responsibility of the child.

But, eh, you are starting to make my thoughts sway... fathers could take care of the child, too.

quote:

I don't think mothers should work. Their jobs should be at home with their children, raising them the way they want to raise their children.

Why can't the FATHER do that? It's sexist to say that women should stay home and clean and cook and manage the house when they could have a career they want?

Like, I want to get married and have kids and stuff but I'm gonna be a lawyer, or a vet, or (most likely) do want my friend and I plan to do: Open an abortion clinic

YOU may want to be a housewife but (I'm not saying this will happen to you) if something happens to your husband and you have no sort of income, blame it on not getting a job.

I have to agree with Joey.

I don't think mothers should work. Their jobs should be at home with their children, raising them the way they want to raise their children. They blame the TV and school for their children turning out the way they do, when really it's the mothers who don't spend any time teaching their children right from wrong!

Wives, though, should submit to their husbands, but should still contribute to the income. But, when motherhood is reached, the jobs should be replaced with children.

This is why I plan to be a housewife. I can't wait.

But... Queen also proves some very good points.

That's an incredibly sexist remark.

It's been proven that MEN have no purpose whatsoever. WOMEN can reproduce without them so MEN should be at home cooking and cleaning. Seeing that they are otherwise useless.

AND both my mother and father worked until my father died and had my mother not worked, we would have lost the house. And my mother works, loves my brother and I AND is making sure neither of us do drugs or smoke.

So you're just an incredibly sexist moron. Easy as that.

quote:

If its wrong for us to work, and wrong for us to stay home and run thehouse, then what are we supposed to do?

Yeah I know!!! Except for work at home, but I bet that's really hard to do.

You say that you are not saying that women souldnt have the same rights as men, but if you aren't then what are you saying? And even if a family is not a family without a mom being there for the kids, then a family is not a family without a dad either (not including familys witn two moms or two dads). Women who work are often critisised, but the sad truth is that "soccer moms" are critisised too. If its wrong for us to work, and wrong for us to stay home and run thehouse, then what are we supposed to do?

thats a little more than two cents but okay and who the hell is responsible for bring this thread back from the dead?

I'd say I have to agree with clpo. You both do have a point of agreement in that moms had to go out to the workplace to earn extra income for the family. However, I do not believe that "mom's going to work" is a legitimate excuse.

The truth is the country went to hell when the Mayflower set sail out of Europe. Europeans never should have come here in the first place; to nearly wipe out an entire race of people and destroy millions upon millions of species of plants and animals. We have come to this country and twisted it into a Democratic perversion.

Honestly, women going to work, which first experienced a boom during world war 2, was a wonderful display of us as a species helping to advance our status. Women who went to work, only did so because it was something they really desired. Women who didn't want to, were perfectly alright staying in the home to wash dishes.

In my opinion, saying that "all who have witnessed the utter destruction of the United States ... all point to ... moms going to work" is rather shortsighted, premature and clearly sexist, even if you wish to argue otherwise. Women going to work has helped our country survive as the filthy nation we were ESTABLISHED as. No one seems to notice that our nation was founded by terrorists; Europeans who essentially broke from their nation because they were unwilling to pay an extra shilling for some ******* tea and writing paper. We were born as a nation of dirty fighting, genocidal monsters. Women going to the workplace was a progressive movement to a more-or-less inhuman society.

As to women teaching their children how to behave? Now that is a proverbial "crock of bull****." no, it's not a slam, i'm just using Joey's terminology. Personally, I find no evidence that supports the view that women are the ones who teach children how to behave. I myself am the son of two physicians. As a result, I raised myself; I spent most of my life-at-home alone. And contrary to your belief, it forced me to acquire above-average manners, a talent for cooking, excellent financial capabilities, the establishment of a daily schedule, and a highly fine-tuned set of morals. Those who never learned these things simply use their mothers' abscense as a crutch to their own failure; they never even learn to accept their own faults in the first place.

There is a simple reason why children are being raised today to "whatever the hell they want;" it is the right thing to do. Teaching children that certain things are inherently good, while saying others are inherently bad raises people to be narrow-minded and incapable of independent thought. To teach someone to do what they wish, to choose their own path in life, sets them up for their own unique successes and failures. That is something that is more valuable then molding children to be what is socially acceptable for the current times.

We as a nation do not have any plummeting moral-value systems; wenever had any moral-value systems to begin with. It is not for anyone to put the blame on women who went to work. It is each person's own individual responsibility to develop a set of morals and values. Those who show a lack of them simply falied themseslves. Of course, it is never too late to learn. But it becomes more difficult with age.

On a side note, I am curious as to Joey's opinion on bisexuality being a trend. A trend is something along the lines of a Chia Pet. Bisexuality, heterosexuality and homosexuality are more along the lines of a permanent characteristic.

Back to a conclusion, however. If you want children with manners and widespread chivalry, move out of America. It doesn't matter where you go in this world, you will find women have professional careers. The rest of the world has done quite a good job dealing with immorality and lawlessness. They discovered long ago that 'women moving to the workplace' was not one of the reasons. America is the spoiled child of the world. Just like a real child must learn with age and experience, America has at least a few thousand years of catching up to do with the rest of civilization.

my two cents