so since there are so many "abortion is wrong/murder" threads I thought I'd start one that's not only pro-choice but pro-killing babies! so discuss! and if you're against abortion piss off, you already have a ton of threads dedicated to discussing why abortion is evil, this is to discuss why it's great!
Democracy is the recurrent suspicion that more than half of the people are right more than half of the time. - E.B.White
Either way, joke thread or not, Supreme Court rulings or not, I was still one of the few people who were right about this. I'm going to continue to preach the use of birth control. I have enough of it out there. For anyone who missed it here is my original post:
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Originally posted by letzBloud: Ok. I have been known to vocalize very strongly about this on the other threads related to this, so I'm sure that my stance has been made known. I'm posting here since this is a new thread so that I can share my view in a much more inteligent light than my past rantings & ravings. Here goes. In the case of abortion, when people ask me if I'm for it or against it I (as my past posts will show) was very very much against it. Nowadays I am now seen as for it simply because I strongly agree that it stay legal. It is the choice of the mother. That said however, I must state that despite technicly being on "your side", I still have many personal, moral, religious objections to doing it. It is my firm belief that the biggest issue that needs to be addressed is prevention of unwanted pregnancies & a greater stress needs to be placed on the use of contraceptives. There are many ways that are available to people that need/want contraceptives & other pregnancy preventions. Please use them.
Originally posted by Maya: so since there are so many "abortion is wrong/murder" threads I thought I'd start one that's not only pro-choice but pro-killing babies! so discuss! and if you're against abortion piss off, you already have a ton of threads dedicated to discussing why abortion is evil, this is to discuss why it's great!
ATTENTION: Your rights to rule your body are being taken away!
On April 18, 2007 the Supreme Court in a 5-4 ruling upheld the ban on D&X abortions. Meanwhile you are worried about tragic anomaly that took place in Virginia, a tired out sensationalistic radio personality's unpopular verbal assaults and debating the parenting style of Alec Baldwin. Perhaps now is the time to re-evaluate your priorities and your place in this "free" society.
Justices Uphold Abortion Procedure Ban THE ASSOCIATED PRESS NY Times
Reacting to the ruling, Bush said that it affirms the progress his administration has made to defend the ''sanctity of life.'' ''I am pleased that the Supreme Court has upheld a law that prohibits the abhorrent procedure of partial birth abortion,'' he said. ''Today's decision affirms that the Constitution does not stand in the way of the people's representatives enacting laws reflecting the compassion and humanity of America.''
Response to the Supreme Court's Un Constitutional Ban on D & X Abortions and a Woman's Right to Choose. (This is not a reactionary response, I have thought this out and if this law is going to be the precedent to be set then it has to be established in it's entirety or it is just another clumsy law that will "stand in the way of the people's" Constitutional right to own their person.) By: LadyLLama
I would like to exam what the words spoken by the President of the United States of America in response to the April 18th Supreme Court decision mean to me. His words reflect that the Constitution of the United States of America, the document that is to protect and uphold every citizen's rights, is "standing in the way" of the people's representatives' opinions. Firstly, the persons of the Supreme Court are not elected by the people; those persons who are entrusted to interpret the Constitution correctly are nominated by the President and confirmed with the advice and consent of the Senate. Therefore the Supreme Court is not representative of "the people" or the American population. Rather the Supreme Court is directly representative of the Presidents mind set and the overall relationship between the Senate and the President at the time of appointment. Secondly, it is not for any person in this government nor any other government to find a way around the Constitution as this statement from the President alludes to (except of course if you are the President - as he demonstrated his position of being above the law). Thirdly, it is currently Un-Constitutional to tell any member, citizen, person of the United States what they are allowed and not allowed to do with their body. The one and only thing that is truly and most definitely your property, that which solely belongs to you and you are 100% responsible for, is YOUR body. However, this hasn't always been the case in America's history and I fear we a slipping backwards.
I believe this law is cutting away at that percentage of ownership every individual female citizen has of their most personal property – their body. So I ask you, who is responsible for that percentage that no longer resides in the responsibility of each individual female citizen? This upheaval of Constitutional property rights must address the transfer of the owner's responsibility and to whom it will pass, or it is an incomplete law without proper guidelines and the consequences, that inevitably follow the lack of proper attention to responsibility, need be thoroughly investigated and considered in order for the law to hold it's full weight. Due to the removal of the woman's responsibility who would be bearer of the property in question, whatever consequences the law should provide, are not hers to pay. Since it can be said in truth that the American government is not of the opinion that the village raise the children (and in raising I mean take responsibility of/for a child's nurturing, loving, teaching of behavior, understanding of the entire world, teaching of social responsibility, faith, religion, etc.) it can safely be assumed that the American government does not want this responsibility. America's history shows that a mother is ultimately responsible for the property in which her body bears; it is only in our very recent history, that the man holds a percentage of responsibility for the existence of said property and often is obligated for less than fifty percent of the cost incurrent by the keeping of the property. This, however, still does not address the man's responsibility to the property, in this case a child, that he has in raising the property (please refer to above for context of the word raising). So, it stands to reason that by United States Law and obvious principles of transference that the woman bearing the property is absolutely responsible for everything needed to properly care for the property to reach maturity. If she defaults on her responsibilities, it is punishable by law. No other person shares the consequences of her actions. No other party is held responsible for her choices. But, now other persons/party/government own a percentage of her body by holding the power to dictate what she may and may not do with it. With ownership comes responsibility as established in every instance of the law. In this case, a percentage of social obligation to birth or not birth in a socially acceptable manner, to teach, to nurture, and to care for said property has been effectively transferred to the dictating party. Through encroachment of ownership then the party who holds that percentage is now responsible. Again I ask who is the new proud owner of a large percentage of a female body and its offspring? ..>..>
THE POINT: THINK ABOUT WHOM AND WHAT THE ISSUE IS REALLY ABOUT. THINK ABOUT WHO IS MAKING IT AN ISSUE AND THEIR OBJECTIVE. AND MOST IMPORTANTLY PUT YOURSELF IN THE SITUATION. MORAL HIGH GROUND AND PRINCIPALS ARE EASILY CHAMPIONED WHEN THE ONLY THING IN FRONT OF YOU IS PROMISE AND VICTORY.
Three people with poor spelling missing the point all in a row? Amazing.
Then again, you have to love "if it was my way i would oborsion you". That's totally my new insult.
On a more serious point:
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bugpitman: You are lucky she didnt believe in it or you would be tossed aside like trash.
Who's to say that her mother didn't believe (?) in abortion? It may come as a surprise, but pro-choice people still do have babies. Why? Because the idea isn't to abort every single baby.
yay oborsion this is the most dumist thing any person could do to a little inisont baby i dont think this is right and i dont even know you and that is a bad for you .if it was my way i would oborsion you.
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listen here maya, thinkin itz rite 2 murder babies. if evry 1 wuz like u u woodnt b liven coz the human race wood b ded. & coz u beleve in murderin inusent babies ur gonna go 2 h*** u piss so many peeple off & ur gonna hav a mizerable life fer it
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Listen you overated murder. What if youre mother Maya aborted you you wouldnt be here if she did. You are lucky she didnt believe in it or you would be tossed aside like trash. If you want to abort a baby you are so un lucky. You have your right to think your own opions but i can have mine so you piss off
Ok. I have been known to vocalize very strongly about this on the other threads related to this, so I'm sure that my stance has been made known. I'm posting here since this is a new thread so that I can share my view in a much more inteligent light than my past rantings & ravings. Here goes. In the case of abortion, when people ask me if I'm for it or against it I (as my past posts will show) was very very much against it. Nowadays I am now seen as for it simply because I strongly agree that it stay legal. It is the choice of the mother. That said however, I must state that despite technicly being on "your side", I still have many personal, moral, religious objections to doing it. It is my firm belief that the biggest issue that needs to be addressed is prevention of unwanted pregnancies & a greater stress needs to be placed on the use of contraceptives. There are many ways that are available to people that need/want contraceptives & other pregnancy preventions. Please use them.
Agreed. Also, though it is beneficial post-preganancy, a fetus makes the mother physically ill, in pain, emotioanlly wrecked and various other forms of negativ side effects.
"I'm loosing my mind!" That's right. I'm going to set it free and let it run around on its own for awhile...
Overlarge parasites? So would you want to conceive a big insect instead of a baby?
Parasites are not always insects. A parasite is an organism that feeds off of its host. Fetuses are good examples of that. They take nutrients straight from the mother's body without giving anything useful back (this is during the pregnancy, so don't say babies give you love and joy and so on because that comes after birth). Thus, a parasite. A parasite that is beneficial in the long run, yes, but during the pregnancy, when the fetus cannot possibly survive without the mother, it's still technically a parasite.
Originally posted by KroNikChrIstian: if you read some of my posts on the subject of abstinance based lessons in school you will see that i dont believe it to be a responsible lesson plan. i believe that you should educate the youth today on all aspects of sex and protection. however regardless of what they are taught i am pretty sure they know the consequance this post is about. sex = baby. no two ways about it. abortions are not an alternative to safe sex or abstinance and as was stated before safe sex can sometimes lead to pregnancy as well since the success rate of contraceptives is sketchy at best. there fore if you dont want a kid the only option is abstinance. sure you can take a risk and have sex anyways with a condom or the pill but be prepared if it comes to it to take care of the child dont just go and have an abortion.
So you don't believe abstinence-only education should be taught...yet you're here preaching that the only reliable way to avoid pregnancy is through abstinence. I realize they're not mutually exclusive concepts, but the super-heavy emphasis you're placing on never having sex unless you want kids makes you come across as inconsistent.
What it comes down to is exactly what clpo said: the vast majority of unwanted pregnancies are the result of irresponsible planning before sex. If we can effectively target that, we can drive the abortion rate way down and everybody's happy. Except for the folks who won't rest until the practice of abortion is totally wiped off the face of the earth.
i understand where you are coming from. i understand that most people dont have the willpower to leave a candybar alone much less sex and im not preaching abstinance only teaching if you read some of my posts on the subject of abstinance based lessons in school you will see that i dont believe it to be a responsible lesson plan. i believe that you should educate the youth today on all aspects of sex and protection. however regardless of what they are taught i am pretty sure they know the consequance this post is about. sex = baby. no two ways about it. abortions are not an alternative to safe sex or abstinance and as was stated before safe sex can sometimes lead to pregnancy as well since the success rate of contraceptives is sketchy at best. there fore if you dont want a kid the only option is abstinance. sure you can take a risk and have sex anyways with a condom or the pill but be prepared if it comes to it to take care of the child dont just go and have an abortion. again abortions are not an alternative to safe sex or abstinance. my beliefs are that an abortion should only be available if having the child would potentially harm or kill the mother. offering abortions as an alternative is doing nothing more then telling our teens today "go ahead have sex if you get pregnant we can kill it for you and you dont have to worry about it."
abortion IS great!!! If you get knocked up when ur thirteen, GREAT! You don't hafta have kids!
oh and you aren't killing people, ur killin fetuses which at the time of abortion are more like overlarge parasites.
There is always the option of giving the baby up for adoption, for those couples unable to have children.
And it all depends on your perception of life. Personally, I think humans are separate from animals, no matter how alike we are, and that babies are human. Overlarge parasites? So would you want to conceive a big insect instead of a baby?
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