Xia, you never seize to outdo your own illogical statements.
Anybody who could comprehend the most minor of messages would be able to conclude that your message was totally false.
For example: I, and many others, think that 2 + 2 = 4. It just so happens that 2 + 2 = 4. Therefore, my opinion is correct.
Aother one: Joe's opinion is that 2 + 2 = 1. Joe's opinion is wrong - plain and simple. Just because he has that opinion, doesn't mean his opinion is correct (follows the nature of reality).
If the government and the people put all the energy that is spent over such a trivial strife as birth control into something useful, there would be fewer starving people in the world, now isn't that a little bit more important. Lets take care of the people who are already here, instead of fighting about the ones who might be.
O of where dost thou hail, Celephanil, Celephanil? Why dost thou wander in Tengelwar great, why on the sea do you sail?
quote: First and foremost, I thought that this thread was about birth control and it being evil due to fact that that's the subject of this thread but apparently either I am stupid or someone pulled the bag over everyone's eyes and told them it was about abortion. Second, someone please tell me how birth control is evil. I mean the last time I checked, birth control does what it says: controls or keeps a woman from getting pregnant unless she chooses that choice for herself to get pregnant, then she doesn't really need birth control. Am I right or am I wrong? Someone with some kind of sense and intelligence please let me know.
Actually I orginally was ranting about the pill. In certain cases the pill allows the egg to still drop and be fertilized. Thus some doctors consider it "life". However due to the pill, the fertilized egg is given no opportunity to develop. Therefore some doctors are refusing to give it out. That was the original intention of my post, but apparently it just moved onto abortion...
"I let my brother go to the devil in his own way" -Robert Louis Stevenson
quote:Ever heard of adoption??? We adopted a little girl because her mother didn't want her, and she is the sweetest child on the world. Her mother is happy, we are happy, and the baby is happy. Now the parents can even CHOOSE the family they want to give their child to. It's a win win situation.
Sorry, but I refused to give it for adoption when I read an article that in PR alone, there were 9000 children up for adoption.
"Regardless, I have always, and will always, succeed."
" Ever heard of adoption??? We adopted a little girl because her mother didn't want her, and she is the sweetest child on the world. Her mother is happy, we are happy, and the baby is happy. Now the parents can even CHOOSE the family they want to give their child to. It's a win win situation. "
Ayheh, that was a great post. That is awesome that you adopted that girl. I don't see why so many people forget that adoption is always available. Abortion is never a necessity and should be banned. "Pro-choice" is a form of propaganda because it makes it sound like that side is pulling for you (which it isn't), but in actuality Pro-life can also mean pro-choice because Pro-lifers are all for the mother to have the "choice" of keeping her child, or giving it up for adoption. There are definitely two choices on the pro-life side.
She does respond, Celtic. You just have to look for it.
Please, ayheh, could you learn how to use the quotes properly as well? If ANY part of your post is illegible, a lot of people won't even bother to read it or consider what you have to say.
quote:So, would you rather torture a woman for 9 months in a depression because she can't get rid of the kid, or get rid of it
I would rather have a woman go through "9 months of torture" and save the life of a human, then not "torture" the woman for 9 months and have a dead human.
quote: and she'll be happy, and she'll be a loving mother one day?
Yeah, because we all know that when a woman has an unexpected baby, she is NEVER happy for the rest of her life and can never be a loving mother?
Ever heard of adoption??? We adopted a little girl because her mother didn't want her, and she is the sweetest child on the world. Her mother is happy, we are happy, and the baby is happy. Now the parents can even CHOOSE the family they want to give their child to. It's a win win situation.
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[QUOTE] And do you actually believe that if Bush is reelected (which I doubt, and if he is, that is just proof of the American stupidity) women are going to stop having abortions even if its illegal? Please, face reality. There are abortion pills, Mexico and Canada, and other multiple ways to abort a child.
No, I realize that there will most likely be abortions even if abortion is made illegal. I mean, criminals exist everywhere. But, YOU must face reality and realize that there won't be nearly as many abortions as there are when it is legal. This is common sense. So, making it illegal WILL save many, many lives, especially over the accumulation of years. This is the biggest issue in today's politics. Anyways, Bush will most likely get reelected, so hopefully we will be a few steps closer to making abortions illegal.
quote: When i think of abortions i think to myself, "would you do this to a 3 yr old?" beacuse that's what it will become. Would you kill a 3 month old because you couldn't afford it anymore? would you kill your teen because you couldn't feed him? That's wat a fetus is, it's a human, or it's a future teenager. What's the difference how old it is?
Great post. Many people don't realize this, but it isn't that hard to come to the correct opinion on this issue.
quote: Wow. I'm floored. Soon, girls won't be allowed to menstrate because it'd be ruining potential life. Isn't it better to take the pill rather than leading it up to an ACTUAL abortion?? *sigh*
Yes it's better to take the pill because it prevents you from the chance of getting pregnant. In turn, if you are taking the pill and can't get pregnant than you have no reason to have an abortion. It saves a lot of pain and decision making.
I have not yet reached my goal, and I am not perfect. But Christ has taken hold of me. So I keep on running and struggling to take hold of the prize. My friends, I don't feel that I have already arrived. But I forget what is behind, and I struggle for wha
First and foremost, I thought that this thread was about birth control and it being evil due to fact that that's the subject of this thread but apparently either I am stupid or someone pulled the bag over everyone's eyes and told them it was about abortion. Second, someone please tell me how birth control is evil. I mean the last time I checked, birth control does what it says: controls or keeps a woman from getting pregnant unless she chooses that choice for herself to get pregnant, then she doesn't really need birth control. Am I right or am I wrong? Someone with some kind of sense and intelligence please let me know.
I have not yet reached my goal, and I am not perfect. But Christ has taken hold of me. So I keep on running and struggling to take hold of the prize. My friends, I don't feel that I have already arrived. But I forget what is behind, and I struggle for wha
When i think of abortions i think to myself, "would you do this to a 3 yr old?" beacuse that's what it will become. Would you kill a 3 month old because you couldn't afford it anymore? would you kill your teen because you couldn't feed him? That's wat a fetus is, it's a human, or it's a future teenager. What's the difference how old it is?
quote: First off, are you saying that something cannot be human if it does not have a nervous system or can hear? Are those two aspects what MAKE a human a human?
Perhaps that was a poor way to state that. My idea was that you would consider a fetus, which until a certain point (a very late point in the nervous system development) cannot even sense pain, is just a human as a 21 year old? When an abortion takes place (88% of which occur 8-12 weeks. If you need the source yet again for this stat, look it up on one of my other posts) most likely the fetus cannot feel pain, or possibly know what is happening to it.
quote:We never "need" abortions. You're basing "necessity" off of "convenience.
You think a woman puts herself in that position because she wants to? What kind of psycho-babble is that? Tell you what, when you are pregnant, but not because you want to be, let me know how you feel.
quote: Science is the first area that states that a completely new life of a new organism begins at conception.
As difficult as this is, Bogey, cite your sources, would you!? Yes, a new organism begins at conception, but it is not even more than one cell, or even considered a multicellular organism (much less human) for a certain amount of time.
I could argue this til the end of time, but yet you will not listen to a speck of common sense. If you care to continue this, noisemail me. Frankly, my time is better spent volunteering down at the soup kitchen or working on my GSA "harassment awareness" project.
I already know from other boards that you will never understand a female's point of view, so I'm not going to waste my time debating with you. And, like I said before, you will never win this argument, because you refuse to see the issue from any point of view other than your own. Until you understand or have had the point of view of a pregnant mother who does not want a child, you will never understand what she goes through.
"If voting could really change things, it would be illegal." & "A conservative is a person who lives in a past that never existed. "
this thread was originally about birth control (and i'm assuming the controverisal "morning after pill" as well) so that is what i want to talk about.
birth control is NOT abortion, because birth control keeps sperm from entering the egg. it DOES NOT kill an already-fertilized egg.
sperm lives for three days inside you, and it takes it a day to even reach the egg. if a woman releases an egg in those three days, chances are she will get pregnant. birth control and the morning after pill KEEP THE EGG FROM BEING RELEASED, so a baby cannot be created in the first place.
quote: we all know that when a woman has an unexpected baby, she is NEVER happy for the rest of her life and can never be a loving mother?
I know that's true in my own mother's case.
When the president talks to god are the conversations brief or long? Does he ask to rape our women's rights and send more farm kids off to die? Does God suggest an oil hike when the president talks to god?
quote: I would rather have a woman go through "9 months of torture" and save the life of a human, then not "torture" the woman for 9 months and have a dead human.
If you let her go through 9 months of torture, she just may kill herself, then you'd have TWO dead humans (or whatever it'd be considered) on your hands.
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If the government and the people put all the energy that is spent over such a trivial strife as birth control into something useful, there would be fewer starving people in the world, now isn't that a little bit more important. Lets take care of the people who are already here, instead of fighting about the ones who might be. 
