Question:
Do you think abortions are :

Choices:
ethically right
completely wrong
depends on the situation
don't know

 

My name is Sarah
>> > I am but three,
>> > My eyes are swollen
>> > I cannot see,
>> > I must be stupid
>> > I must be bad,
>> > What else could have made
>> > My daddy so mad?
>> > I wish I were better
>> > I wish I weren't ugly,
>> > Then maybe my mommy
>> > Would still want to hug me.
>> >
>> >
>> > I can't speak at all
>> > I can't do a wrong
>> > Or else I'm locked up
>> > All the day long.
>> >
>> >
>> > When I awake I'm all alone
>> > The house is dark
>> > My folks aren't home.
>> > When my mommy does come
>> > I'll try and be nice,
>> > So maybe I'll get just
>> > One whipping tonight.
>> >
>> >
>> > Don't make a sound!
>> > I just heard a car
>> > My daddy is back
>> > From Charlie's Bar.
>> >
>> >
>> > I hear him curse
>> > My name he calls
>> > I press myself
>> > Against the wall.
>> >
>> >
>> > I try and hide
>> > From his evil eyes
>> > I'm so afraid now
>> > I'm starting to cry.
>> >
>> >
>> > He finds me weeping
>> > He shouts ugly words,
>> > He says its my fault
>> > That he suffers at work.
>> >
>> >
>> > He slaps me and hits me
>> > And yells at me more,
>> > I finally get free
>> > And I run for the door.
>> >
>> >
>> > He's already locked it
>> > And I start to bawl,
>> > He takes me and throws me
>> > Against the hard wall.
>> >
>> >
>> > I fall to the floor
>> > With my bones nearly broken,
>> > And my daddy continues
>> > With more bad words spoken...
>> >
>> >
>> > "I'm sorry!", I scream
>> > But its now much too late
>> > His face has been twisted
>> > Into unimaginable hate.
>> >
>> >
>> > The hurt and the pain
>> > Again and again
>> > Oh please God, have mercy!
>> > Oh please let it end!
>> >
>> >
>> > And he finally stops
>> > And heads for the door,
>> > While I lay there motionless
>> > Sprawled on the floor.
>> >
>> >
>> > My name is Sarah
>> > And I am but three,
>> > Tonight my daddy
>> > Murdered me.

so u still think abortion is bad. this unwanted, unloved, abused child shouldn't have just been aborted instead of being beaten to death by her dad, wat good came out of letting her live, wat mercy.


or lets talk about adoption they go into foster care then get raped, then have 5 different homes in 3 years never e=being able to attach to ppl then this poem happens but it's not "my dad" but "my foster dad" lets get the kids that are already born adopted b4 we talk about having more kids hoping for parents

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Your argument "well they'll grow up in a bad environment anyway" sickens me.

I'm sorry you feel that way. Would you like a paper bag?

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" ...adoption.org claims a baby shortage i.e. more being demanded than supplied. Does that sound numerous to you? Quit making claims that come from your imagination.

Baby shortage? Tell that to the inner cities. Tell that to kids who have to suffer with horrible foster parents. I'm not the only one to say how many kids there are still looking to be adopted.

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If you're not ready for food, then don't eat. Not ready to have kids then you are certainly not ready for sex.

We're humans: we're always ready for sex. You try telling people to stop.

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Normally those who are pro-choice are at least worthy of respect but you sir are a monster.

Do you say that to everyone you disagree with?

Now, I get the feeling you think I'm advocating forced abortions. I'm doing no such thing. I dislike abortions as much as the next person. However, unlike the next person, I realize that they can sometimes be necessary. I'm not pushing it on anyone, and if you calmed down instead of calling me a monster, you might actually see that.

Legalize abortion and unwanted pregnancies will go down. Abortion being a safty net increases the amount of unprotected sex and thus pregnancy. Your argument "well they'll grow up in a bad environment anyway" sickens me. If a kid gets murdered who lives the conditions you described, does that make it all right because they had a bad life anyway? Absolutely not! The conditions a child will be born into is not close to justifying taking its life. I'm so sick of the argument "They're not ready!" By your definition of ready, no one in a third world country can have kids.
We say adoption is the answer to saving lives. You respond adoption is inefficient??? You're right. Let's stop welfare and relief efforts because they are inefficient. Human life isn't worth that much. "the amount of kids needing to be adopted dropped sharply, but even the ones who remain are quite numerous" ...adoption.org claims a baby shortage i.e. more being demanded than supplied. Does that sound numerous to you? Quit making claims that come from your imagination.
"Majority of women don't do it because they don't feel ready." If you're not ready for food, then don't eat. Not ready to have kids then you are certainly not ready for sex. How can I make this simpler? "Well, after we adopted Fluffy here we decided I wasn't ready to pay for dog food so we shot him." I can go on, but it would just too complicated.
Normally those who are pro-choice are at least worthy of respect but you sir are a monster.

Try reading what I wrote. If you had graduated third grade, you wouldn't need to ask that question, would you?

But because I'm a nice guy, I'll tell you. They're not ready when they're "generally poor and uneducated, living in the bad part of town" not to mention high on drugs or hooked on alcohol. Or did you not realize that first world countries have poor people?

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then you probably deserve to get pregnant

Lol, so thats why our populations are nose-diving! Pregnancy is a punishment, a horrible affliction, a disease.
Great, I really love my society.

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but I don't think that rape can ever be blamed on the victim. It's the rapist that has committed the crime.

Amen

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The majority of women who get abortions do it because they don't feel ready for a child. They're generally poor and uneducated, living in the bad part of town.

You know, its a bit rich how western women claim that they aren't ready for children. What exactly do they define as ready?

Adoption is inefficient. After abortion was legalized, the amount of kids needing to be adopted dropped sharply, but even the ones who remain are quite numerous. Not only that, but adopted kids are still more likely to turn to crime, especially if they end up in a bad household (and let's face it: there are too many of those in the United States).

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Now, let's say abortion is outlawed. These women who would be most likely to get abortions must now have their babies. These babies will now grow up in poor environments. They may be unwanted, or they may have an alcoholic or crackhead for a mother. Numerous studies have shown that kids growing up in situations like this are most likely to either follow in their parent's footsteps (become poor, uneducated, teenage mothers) or turn to a life of crime. In short, their lives really aren't going to be very good at all. This is not to say that some won't rise above that kind of life, but unfortunately, those kids are among the minority.

We're meant to believe adoption is the alternative...

I had an interesting thought the other day. People who are avidly pro-life claim to be acting in the best interests of the baby. But is this completely true? Sure, they're protecting the baby from being killed, but what about after?

The majority of women who get abortions do it because they don't feel ready for a child. They're generally poor and uneducated, living in the bad part of town. They may be drug-users or alcoholics who fear their own destructive behavior would hurt their newborn. Or perhaps they simply don't want the child.

Now, let's say abortion is outlawed. These women who would be most likely to get abortions must now have their babies. These babies will now grow up in poor environments. They may be unwanted, or they may have an alcoholic or crackhead for a mother. Numerous studies have shown that kids growing up in situations like this are most likely to either follow in their parent's footsteps (become poor, uneducated, teenage mothers) or turn to a life of crime. In short, their lives really aren't going to be very good at all. This is not to say that some won't rise above that kind of life, but unfortunately, those kids are among the minority.

So, if you really did care about the well being of the child, you'd recognize that forcing them to be born is as much a punishment to the child as it could be to the mother, especially if they're unwanted. Following the legalization of abortion in the United States, infanticide rates dropped rapidly, and more than 20 years later, crime dropped even more (as a direct result of all those future criminals not being born).

While I certainly don't condone abortion as a drastic form of birth control, I would rather it be left open for women to make the choice. Believe it or not, women know if they'll be a good mother or not, so I'd rather they had an abortion than be forced to give birth to a child who won't be wanted or taken good care of.

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Originally posted by hopeslydevoted07:
If you are going to start having unprotected sex, not get on birth control, or give yourself an image of being "easy", then you probably deserve to get pregnant.

I'm sorry about what you had to go through, but I completely disagree that you deserve to be forcibly impregnated if people think you are easy. I mean people spread lies about other people all the time, and even if you are promiscous, that doesn't give others the right to rape you. Maybe I misinterpreted you, and I would probably do the same if I was in your position (I could never get an abortion), but I don't think that rape can ever be blamed on the victim. It's the rapist that has committed the crime.

And it kind of sucks that you talk about getting pregnant like it's a punishment. Babies are amazing

For the question.. have you ever been pregnant... yes i have, it was unplanned and i was raped, but i never once thought about abortions. Yeah some people might say that if you are raped then you have a reason to get an abortion. Well you don't really. If you are going to start having unprotected sex, not get on birth control, or give yourself an image of being "easy", then you probably deserve to get pregnant. Whether you realize it or not, when you get an abortion, YOU ARE COMMITING MURDER. The baby might not be big enough to see, but it has the potential of growing to become a living person. When you have an abortion, it takes that away. YOU ARE KILLING SOMETHING. Just think of that next time you say abortions are ethical.

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u asked what a medical reason was ikkireed, and what you asked above(the 1st question) is a medical reason duh!!!!!!
and she never said it was her decision whether or not a baby should live, she was simply stating her opinions....

1. I asked what HER definition of a medical reason was and why she was allowed to decide what constituted a medical reason.
2. She said it wasn't our right to take away a life, then said it was okay in Medical reasons. I wanted to know WHY it was only okay in medical reasons.

P.S. Thank you, Maya.

Ilive4Him: you don't need to double post to say what you just said.
And two, Ikki said "who are you to decide whether or not medical reasons is a valid reason for taking away a life?" so RE-read it.
and also, of course what anyone states on here is going to be their opinion, that's sort of the point. Like it's my opinion that we should kill babies, if they're born and we decide we don't want them anymore, or can't take care of them, or just feel like it

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Originally posted by Ikki14Reed:
A few things, Linds.

What about if the baby will be born handicapped?

Basically, who are you to decide whether or not medical reasons is a valid reason for taking away a life?

u asked what a medical reason was ikkireed, and what you asked above(the 1st question) is a medical reason duh!!!!!!
and she never said it was her decision whether or not a baby should live, she was simply stating her opinions....

[QUOTE]Originally posted by linds7:
pro-life.

what gives us the right to take away a life? after about 24 days the heart starts beating. If you don't want the baby then put it up for adoption. only 1% of the population has abortions for rape or incest. 7% has abortinos for medical reasons such as the baby can kill the mother. 93% of the populationhas abortions because of social reaons such as they don't want the baby or it is inconvinient.

now besides the 7% of rare occurances. Which I feel would be suitable reason.

For the other 93%. I think that if you know how a baby is made then you should be able to deal with the consequences. I do not look at babies as punishments. I look at them as humans and responsiblilities.

ABORTION IS NOT BIRTH CONTROL!!

i am in total agreement with lindsey....all the way!!!!!!!!!!

A few things, Linds.

1. I need a source for your data that's not biased in anyway.
2. Did you round up? Because 1+7+93 is 101%, no 100%.
3. You say nothing gives us the right to take a life away, but then say that if it's for medical reasons, it's suitable. Aren't those going against each other? And what exactly defines a medical reason? Is it if the mother will die? Or if the baby will die? What about if the mother has this baby she can't have any more and she really wants a boy instead of a girl or vice cersa? What about if the baby will be born handicapped?

Basically, who are you to decide whether or not medical reasons is a valid reason for taking away a life?

pro-life.

what gives us the right to take away a life? after about 24 days the heart starts beating. If you don't want the baby then put it up for adoption. only 1% of the population has abortions for rape or incest. 7% has abortinos for medical reasons such as the baby can kill the mother. 93% of the populationhas abortions because of social reaons such as they don't want the baby or it is inconvinient.

now besides the 7% of rare occurances. Which I feel would be suitable reason.

For the other 93%. I think that if you know how a baby is made then you should be able to deal with the consequences. I do not look at babies as punishments. I look at them as humans and responsiblilities.

ABORTION IS NOT BIRTH CONTROL!!!

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Originally posted by Kharybdis:
This thread is an abortion.

xD
-nods-
Agreed.

Hmm k... first of all, 95% of all abortions are done as a form of birth control (according to stats). So this isn't including rape, mother's health blah blah blah. Claiming it's a right to have an abortion is nonsense if you believe that embryo's are alive. So quit trying to use that form of logic. No matter how much someone annoys you, you never have the right to kill them. The issue isn't about rights, so you can put down your poster boards there. It's about whether or not an embryo is alive. If you say "It has never breathed and have a SS #, ergo it's not alive." Then you are, to be blunt stupid. I'm more apt to believe that you are skewing the definition to try to meet your own ends. A fish doesn't breath air and yet is alive. No textbook would define life by what it breaths or by any number the government gives it. Some say it's situation may be so bad than it's justifiable to kill it. One word: WEAKSAUCE. I suppose it is justifiable to burn down the slums of any city or to kill poor people, since their life sucks so much anyways we're doing them a favor right? Anytime someone goes to a psychologist saying "I don't think anyone loves me" he should kill them right out because that's the best option right? Please! It's not even remotely logical. The only way abortion could be justified as birth control is claiming it is never alive until birth. In order to do that, we'd ahve to rewrite some definitions as to what he call alive and nonalive in conventional biology. (Obviously, anything not born would be nonliving.) or we could try to squeeze in by saying some birthing process (like hatching) but then it gets very complicated. You could say when something it fully developed it is it's own organism, but then little children would then not be considered their own organsisms and thus would be nonliving becuase they aren't fully matured humans yet. To me, it seems pretty hard to justify abortion as anything other than a selfish way to try to get out of a consequence you were warned about. (Note: This is talking about the 95% above mentioned.)

So I looked at the other abortions threads and managed to dug out what I had posted about it. Yes, I have that kind of time on my hands.

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I personally don't think I would ever be capable of having an abortion. But I can't judge the women who decide to practice it in case of rape or serious risk of death. I have never been in that situation myself and so I don't know what it is to go through that. I know that it truly must be traumatic to go through rape. And then to have to give birth to a child from that incident must be one of the hardest things a woman could do. This is a very complicated subject in my opinion because you have to consider both sides, the mother and the unborn child; the mothers right to decide over her body and the unborns' right to life. When does a fetus aquire right to life, who can truly decide?