Like, ohmigod I just got this this totally super-awesomely-super idea! Like, what if we started like, eating the fetuses we, like.. you know, abort?

Like, you know.. just like the Indians?

Jah?

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If you appreciate women's rights, you should be joining rallies about women abuse, women harrassment and such, not abortion!!!

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For all you know, I do those too. But I don't see any on YN.

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No, i didn't miss it... You made your point just like you said in your post....

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Then tell me what my posint was, jamaica.

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In case you didnt notice it, you have made some very idiotic arugements...

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No, you've misunderstood my statements.

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So, a baby isn't a human life form????

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A baby is the same as you and me. We were talkign about calling a fetus a baby. Wow Jamiaca, way to follow the drabate

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An old man doesn't have hair, a friend of mine was born with a disease where he can't grow any hair any where at all. Is he less of a human?

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The disorder makes it different. No fetuses have hair while it is just because of a disrorder that your friend has none. As for bald people, they had hair, and still do have some hair.

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I wasn't referring to what it eats but how it's unhuman like of it to do such a thing. We still consider them humans right?

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Yes, they are humans, but behaviors are a completly separate topic than how a body functions. We're talking voluntary vs. involuntary actions.

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No I get what your saying, But my point is that it is still human regardless if it's different or not. All humans are different.

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An ape is only a little different than a human, why is it not considered a human? It has the same number of differences between a fetus and a human as a ape and a human.

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An old man doesn't have hair, a friend of mine was born with a disease where he can't grow any hair any where at all. Is he less of a human? A newborn still has part of his umbilical cord, are they any less human? A baby was born with all its internal organs on the outside, is it any less human? Do you see what I'm getting at?

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I agree with Steph.

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But a fetus is not the same type of human life as my life or your life. you keep missing that and I keep repeating it.

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It is already human. *sighs* I wonder HOW many times i have to repeat MYSELF ALSO... *sighs again, more loudly* Ok, look..... when you have sex (i am not saying you should try this....) Just in case, you have already tried sex, then somehow you weren't using contraceptives, and the girl gets pregnant. The sperm cell and the egg cell will be FERTILIZED once they are in contact. That fertilized cell is called a ZYGOTE. After that ( conception is a long process), it becomes an embryo and has to undergone different stages wherein that fetilized egg will be attached to the uterine wall of the mother. Then, as days, weeks pass by, once it attaches itself to the uterus lining of the mother, it becomes an embryo then it will start to undergo oragan formation... When the embryo starts to form a head, little feet and hands and when you hear the heart beating, then that is already a fetus........... But even if this fetus was once a cell, the FACT that FERTILIZATION occurred, it IS a HUMAN LIFE FORM.

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But a fetus is not the same type of human life as my life or your life. you keep missing that and I keep repeating it.

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No I get what your saying, But my point is that it is still human regardless if it's different or not. All humans are different.

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It has one less cahractaristic of a human that is living post birth. That was my point. I don't understand how you can be so blind.

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But is it not human?

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Cannabalism is much different. We're not talking about what's being eaten, we're talking about how functions are performed. A fetus performs functions much differently than a postborn human.

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I wasn't referring to what it eats but how it's unhuman like of it to do such a thing. We still consider them humans right?

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That was the point. You said having those things made it human. A fetus also has an ambilical cord and doesn't have hair.

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An old man doesn't have hair, a friend of mine was born with a disease where he can't grow any hair any where at all. Is he less of a human? A newborn still has part of his umbilical cord, are they any less human? A baby was born with all its internal organs on the outside, is it any less human? Do you see what I'm getting at?

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You missed my point, jamaica... in case you didn't notice that.

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No, i didn't miss it... You made your point just like you said in your post......In case you didnt notice it, you have made some very idiotic arugements.... I mean, let me give you an advice: Buy a Maternal and Child Care book and READ the pages about sexuality, conception and pregnancy. If you dont think a fetus, a bay, a zygote IS a human form, then YOU are DENYING your existence.YOU were once a cell in your mom's womb, waiting for teh sperm cell of your dad and then FERTILIZATION OCCURS. The fetilized egg is called a zygote. As it matures in the process, it is termed an embryo.... THEN a fetus... then, when it comes out of the vagina of the woman, we call it a newborn baby, or an infant.

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I do, but I also appreciate women's rights.

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ARE you a woman??? Frankly, i don't get why you are SOOO PROTECTIVE OF WOMEN, when men are for the most part, the ones who dont suffer ALL THESE!!!!! They just give their sperm and that is it!!! We (women) have to go through mentruation, labor and chilbirth and YOU are going to say that a baby isnt a human life form??? or for that matter, a fetus????? SHEESH! If you appreciate women's rights, you should be joining rallies about women abuse, women harrassment and such, not abortion!!!

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you are right, we did come form a fetus, but a fetus is not the same as a person. Though I now experiance the same type of life as my mother, I did not as a fetus.

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Yes, it does.... SO, does that mean, that killing a person has higher punishment than killing a fetus?? To me, it is still the same.... ANY HUMAN LIFE FORM that is already breathing, has hands and feet and vital organs(even if they are tiny) HAS the RIGHT TO LIVE. And killing that would be like MURDER.

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We were talking about calling it a baby.

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So, a baby isn't a human life form???? Just curious, to satisfy your debates with us who thinks abortion is wrong, Why dont you go out and grab some baby in the park and toss it in a pond or something.... Then WATCH IT CLOSELY and report any kind of feeling or whatever to me OK??? Since you dont think a fetus, a zygote or a baby IS human, then why dont you try killing it???? Like, RIGHT NOW!! I am so tired of people debating with such stupid stuff... I mean, MONKEYS????? BABIES NOT HUMAN?????? GET REAL!!!!!!!!!!!

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Why is any humans life important?

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But a fetus is not the same type of human life as my life or your life. you keep missing that and I keep repeating it.

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So, that does it make it any less human just because it eats differently and its a stupid argument.

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I usually respect your arguments while deabting even if I don't agree. The circular debating is making me appreciate them less. Though perhaps it is jamaica jumping in. It has one less cahractaristic of a human that is living post birth. That was my point. I don't understand how you can be so blind.

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Those things don't make it unhuman, it's just a human doing things in a different form. I know humans that do things that could be classified as "unhuman". How about cannibals? That is very unhuman like.

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Cannabalism is much different. We're not talking about what's being eaten, we're talking about how functions are performed. A fetus performs functions much differently than a postborn human.

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A monkey also has a tail and fur. And a monkey isn't formed by 2 human beings. And that wasn't the point.

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That was the point. You said having those things made it human. A fetus also has an ambilical cord and doesn't have hair.

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a fetus isn't an adult, but it is already a human life form.

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We were talking about calling it a baby.

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a monkey is different from a human being, yogore... in case you didn't notice that.

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You missed my point, jamaica... in case you didn't notice that.

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Maybe you don't appreciate pregnancy or conception,

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I do, but I also appreciate women's rights.

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WRONG. You and I came from a fetus before we came out of our mother's vagina during childbirth.

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you are right, we did come form a fetus, but a fetus is not the same as a person. Though I now experiance the same type of life as my mother, I did not as a fetus.

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Why is any humans life important?

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The fact, that a life form is already in the process of becoming a full human being inside the mother is already IMPORTANT.

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So, that does it make it any less human just because it eats differently and its a stupid argument

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i agree with Stephanie. I mean, hello!!! The fetus is still INSIDE the mother so OBVIOUSLY it cannot eat by itself. The umbilicord is there attached to the placenta of the mother so that whatever the nutrients the mother has, the baby can have it too, through the umbilical cord and the placenta of the mother.

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If it's shape and the fact that a fetus is living are the only reasons you have is no basis at all. Many things we kill are living. Why does it having human shape change it so much?

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We are the only creatures in the animal kingdom who has the capacity to think what is good or bad, right or wrong. We have LAWS. We have morals and values. Other animals don't have that. If one animal kills anotheranimal, they don't care about it. But we, human beings, have brains and the capacity to think and we are HIGHER than them, therefore, all of us, cells, zygotes, embryos and fetuses are IMPORTANT and we are all the basis we need.

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But why does human form make it's life suddenly so important?

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Why is any humans life important?

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It goers through the infants mouth and down into it's stomach, which is different than through an ambilical cord.

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So, that does it make it any less human just because it eats differently and its a stupid argument.

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The list of things I gave you for starters.

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Those things don't make it unhuman, it's just a human doing things in a different form. I know humans that do things that could be classified as "unhuman". How about cannibals? That is very unhuman like.

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A monkey has all of those things.

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A monkey also has a tail and fur. And a monkey isn't formed by 2 human beings. And that wasn't the point.

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A baby becomes an adult. Does that mean I can call a fetus an adult?

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a fetus isn't an adult, but it is already a human life form. When fertilization occurs, the cell is called a zygote, then an embryo , then finally called a fetus.

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A monkey has all of those things.

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a monkey is different from a human being, yogore... in case you didn't notice that.

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But why does human form make it's life suddenly so important?

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when you were just a zygote, an embryo and a fetus inside your mother's womb, yogore, does that make you UNIMPORTANT??? The fact, that a life form is already in the process of becoming a full human being inside the mother is already IMPORTANT. Maybe you don't appreciate pregnancy or conception, all you ever appreciate is SEX. And to me, that is LAME.

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Living. Duh. We're not disputing a fetus being alive. It's just not the same as you or I

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WRONG. You and I came from a fetus before we came out of our mother's vagina during childbirth.

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it is still alive with it's own heartbeat, it's own genetic code, it's own head, it's own nose, it's own set of eyes, ears, hands, feet, toes, hands, fingers, etc. It is alive with all the same things that we humans have.

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A monkey has all of those things.

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What is so unhuman about it?

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The list of things I gave you for starters.

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An infant also feeds thru a bottle which is different from the way we eat, so no that really doesn't contribute to your argument.

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It goers through the infants mouth and down into it's stomach, which is different than through an ambilical cord.

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The fetus is a human, and if given a chance will grow into an infant, toddler, child, adolescent, and adult. How many of these other living things can do that in the human form?

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But why does human form make it's life suddenly so important?

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Because it depends solely on the mother. It is participating in a relationship that can only be describe as parasitism. Taking my life is different than aborting a fetus. It cannot depend on anyone but the mother, for one. Not to mention, if you look at the list gave you, it does some very unhuman things.

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What is so unhuman about it? It may rely on the mother but it is still alive with it's own heartbeat, it's own genetic code, it's own head, it's own nose, it's own set of eyes, ears, hands, feet, toes, hands, fingers, etc. It is alive with all the same things that we humans have.

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It contributes. It is why a fetus is different than someone who is born. Sure it breathes through a tube, but not using it's mouth and lungs, to my knowledge. That is much different.

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An infant also feeds thru a bottle which is different from the way we eat, so no that really doesn't contribute to your argument.

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If it's shape and the fact that a fetus is living are the only reasons you have is no basis at all. Many things we kill are living. Why does it having human shape change it so much?

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The fetus is a human, and if given a chance will grow into an infant, toddler, child, adolescent, and adult. How many of these other living things can do that in the human form?

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Why not debate if it's alive or not?

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Because I see no one disputing that fact, therefore leaving no need for debate.

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It does depend on it's mother and it isn't born but that doesn't make it any less alive or any less human and didn't we say that taking a life of a human is wrong?

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Because it depends solely on the mother. It is participating in a relationship that can only be describe as parasitism. Taking my life is different than aborting a fetus. It cannot depend on anyone but the mother, for one. Not to mention, if you look at the list gave you, it does some very unhuman things.

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It does breathe air, just thru the mother. Not that any of this contributes to the debate.

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It contributes. It is why a fetus is different than someone who is born. Sure it breathes through a tube, but not using it's mouth and lungs, to my knowledge. That is much different.

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A fetus is livng though, correct?

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If it's shape and the fact that a fetus is living are the only reasons you have is no basis at all. Many things we kill are living. Why does it having human shape change it so much?

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A baby becomes an adult. Does that mean I can call a fetus an adult?

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If thats what makes you happy, then go for it.

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Living. Duh. We're not disputing a fetus being alive. It's just not the same as you or I.

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Why not debate if it's alive or not? Of course it isn't the same as us. It does depend on it's mother and it isn't born but that doesn't make it any less alive or any less human and didn't we say that taking a life of a human is wrong? Why should this be an acceptance?

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A fetus eats differently, doesn't breathe air, can't survive on its own, etc.

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It does breathe air, just thru the mother. Not that any of this contributes to the debate.

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Correct. They don't have to be a baby to be living though. A fetus is not living the same as you or I. It is not the same, which is your problem. How is something so different considered the same by you?

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A fetus is livng though, correct?

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A fetus becomes a baby if not already one, correct?

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A baby becomes an adult. Does that mean I can call a fetus an adult?

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What is the vital status of something with a heartbeat?

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Living. Duh. We're not disputing a fetus being alive. It's just not the same as you or I.

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Because I was trying to prove to you that it is, and your trying to prove that it isn't but when it comes down to it, it doesnt matter because either way they are livng human beings.

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Correct. They don't have to be a baby to be living though. A fetus is not living the same as you or I. It is not the same, which is your problem. How is something so different considered the same by you?

A fetus eats differently, doesn't breathe air, can't survive on its own, etc.

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Not really. They are both calling something a word that does not acuratly describe it.

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A fetus becomes a baby if not already one, correct? A pet does not and will not become a baby therefore it is different.

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Well it could be anything. A pet has a heartbeat.

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That's not what I was getting at. I said that wrong. What is the vital status of something with a heartbeat?

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If it doesn't matter what you want to consider it, then why are you fighting me over if a fetus is a baby?

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Because I was trying to prove to you that it is, and your trying to prove that it isn't but when it comes down to it, it doesnt matter because either way they are livng human beings.

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The people that call the things that aren't babies, and will never become babies is something completely different.

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Not really. They are both calling something a word that does not acuratly describe it.

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What is something that has a heartbeat?

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Well it could be anything. A pet has a heartbeat.

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A fetus is just a stage of the development, same as being an infant is, a child is, an adolescent is, an adult is. They are all just stages in a life. It really doesn't matter if you want to consider it a baby or a fetus.

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If it doesn't matter what you want to consider it, then why are you fighting me over if a fetus is a baby?

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People refer to their pets as their baby, does that meana cat is a baby? Just because people say something doesn't mean it's true

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The people that call the things that aren't babies, and will never become babies is something completely different. The mother calls her unborn child baby because that is what it looks like, and that is what it will become. Even if a fetus is not a baby, it is still human, it still has a heartbeat. What is something that has a heartbeat?

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Oh please Ohio, quite being niave. The 2 year-old isn't a genious. YOu showing him a picture that resembled a baby so he said baby. it's nothing more than that. Does he even know what a fetus is? I doubt it, and I doubt you'd tell the truth about it anyways.

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A fetus is just a stage of the development, same as being an infant is, a child is, an adolescent is, an adult is. They are all just stages in a life. It really doesn't matter if you want to consider it a baby or a fetus.