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Picture of Tweet30346
Registered: May 14, 2003
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Go out and make a big ruckus about abortion, show women pictures of aborted babies, tell sob stories, scream at the top of your lung

And just for the record i don't do any of those things. I do however make my opinion known in a respectable way without shoving it down people's throats. To me the best way to make a difference is to influence the people who are close to you, and starting a "chain reaction", so to speak

Then again, lobbying congress isnt a bad idea.
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Registered: December 13, 2002
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Lungs, Amaris. You've got two of them. Use them both to make your pro-choice beliefs known!
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Yes, there will always be women whose opinions you can not sway. But at least if it is illegalized (Is that a word?) we can lock up the women who choose to do it.
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Registered: March 02, 2003
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I may not be able to do much, but I am sure as hell not going to sit silently.

Go out and make a big ruckus about abortion, show women pictures of aborted babies, tell sob stories, scream at the top of your lung (or is it lungs? I've always wondered that.) about why you think abortion is wrong. Go ahead, do it. Good luck and I hope that your throat doesn't get sore in the process. But, like I said before, there are women out there who are steadfast about their decision to have an abortion, and nothing you, or anyone else, can do, will stop them. No matter if abortion is legal or not, if a woman wants one, you can bet your asss she's going to get one.
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There is always something you can do, starting with talking to people, trying to make them realize it is wrong, followed by making it illegal. Im not just going to sit and let these women go and kill thousands of babies without making a peep, because that is as good as saying you agree with it. I may not be able to do much, but I am sure as hell not going to sit silently.
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Registered: March 02, 2003
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Tweet: Then don't get an abortion, and stop *****ing. The simple fact is, if a women doesn't want to have a child, she will have an abortion, legal or not, and there's nothing you, or anyone else, can do to stop it.
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I dont care what the circumstances are, to me it is not right unless the situation is fatal to mother and child.
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Registered: July 02, 2003
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I, as a person myself, would never choose that b/c everyone deserves a chance to experience life...even if I was raped. And, even if I was foolish enough to have sex w/ some guy, i'd still consider it a very good punishment for myself...(but of course I would never dream of that...not until im married).

However, I remind myself that abortion is not my choice, either, and that every woman does have a right to do it, I suppose...although I wouldn't recommend it personally. Only personal family/friends/God know the circumstances under that person and will okay the abortion to really happen or not...

God Bless, *~Collielvr~*
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So she has the right to clear her uterus of what's in it.


She has the right to do whatever she wants with her uterus, until it comes to interfering with another humans life. That is where her rights end and another's begin. For instance: I have the right to walk down the street, swing my fist wildly in every direction, until it comes in contact with someones nose. Then I must respect the other person's right not to have their nose broken.
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How would you know? Have you given birth?


No I have not, but I do know a considerable amount of people who have chosen to go through it repeatedly, so my educated deduction is that it can not be all that horrible. Drugs to deal with the pain, and all that.
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So then the kid would be kicked out on the street with nowhere to go, nobody to turn to.

Plenty of kids are kicked out when they turn 18 with nowhere to go, not just orphans. And this is mere speculation, but being as they know their whole lives that they must leave when they turn 18, most probably have some sor of plan in place. I imagine that they are probably given some sort of counseling or whatever. And if all else fails they can always fall back on welfare until they get on their feet. Thats what ist there for, after all.
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Good for him. But what about the rest of the kids, who are never adopted into a family, or are adopted into abusive homes?


He wasnt ever adopted into a family, that was my point. And most people who adopt kids are desperate to have children, so it seems to me that most would go to a loving home. Of course you hear the occasional horror stories, but they are quite rare.
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Yes. And then we wouldn't be making you angry. So in a strange, twisted way, you'd be happier.


Not happier. Just less angry at the moment. And I was actually thinking more of my own birth. I often think that a lot of people wouldnt have blamed my mom if she had chosen to get an abortion (being as my father left her in early pregnancy), and I am eternally grateful that she does not believe in abortion, and that she loved me regardless.
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What if Hitler was aborted? Or any other number of terrible people in history?

Then the world would be far different. Even though Hitler caused horrible horrible things to happen, he has changed the course of history. If he hadnt lived things might be better today, or they might be worse. We will never know which.
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Registered: December 13, 2002
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Yes, gem. You and I can be Co-Queens of Old School. It'll be fun.

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THE BABY IS NOT A PART OF THE FEMALE'S BODY! The womb is where the baby grows and develops, but the baby is not part of the womb, therefore it is not part of the woman. A female has the choice to do anything she wishes to her own body, but not to the body of another human being, even if it is her own child.

No, it isn't part of the female's body. But the baby will live in the female's body for the next nine months. You said she has the choice to do anything she wishes to her own body. So she has the right to clear her uterus of what's in it.

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Why does it matter?

It doesn't. It was a hypothetical question.

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Pregnancy and childbirth certainly isnt happy balloon land, but it isnt hell, either.

How would you know? Have you given birth?

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And Im pretty sure that in America orphanages have been replaced by the foster care system, but I may be wrong.

There are still a couple of orphanages, but they like to give them happy names, like Public Group Housing For Children.

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Its not like the baby would be stuck there for its life anyway, you kinda have to leave when you are 18.

So then the kid would be kicked out on the street with nowhere to go, nobody to turn to.

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By the way, I know a guy who was raise as a ward of the state and his experience realy wasnt horrible, he is now a completely well adjusted adult and admirable member of society.


Good for him. But what about the rest of the kids, who are never adopted into a family, or are adopted into abusive homes?

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You people make me so friggin angry. Do you ever stop to think that if your parents had aborted you, you wouldnt be here today?

Yes. And then we wouldn't be making you angry. So in a strange, twisted way, you'd be happier.

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What if the person who invented the vaccination for smallpox had been aborted, or any other number of crucial people in history?

What if Hitler was aborted? Or any other number of terrible people in history?
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it isn't aware of anything,

What does it matter whether the baby was aware of anything? If I was knocked out cold and not aware of anything around me, would it be ok to kill me?
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I can't bare to see a child die
I can't bare to see it leave
So i will take it's life away

You are going to kill a human being because you cant bear to deal with some emotions? How selfish is that? Taking its life away=seeing a child die. The only difference is that the mother has yet to grow attached to the baby. This is simply an act of cowardice, a selfish attempt at preventing some emotional pain. Its only the loss of a precious human child, oh well...
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Female's body; female's choice.


THE BABY IS NOT A PART OF THE FEMALE'S BODY! The womb is where the baby grows and develops, but the baby is not part of the womb, therefore it is not part of the woman. A female has the choice to do anything she wishes to her own body, but not to the body of another human being, even if it is her own child.
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At six weeks old, would an unborn child even have eye color yet?

Why does it matter? The word "yet" implies that eye color, along with all other developments, will be there eventually. That fetus, embryo, whatever you want to call it, will someday be a living breathing baby unless some woman decides she has the right to take the life of her own child.
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yell at her for somehow deserving her fate

Who said that?!?! And it is irrelevant anyway.
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you can just go through the hell of pregnancy and childbirth and experience the joy of having your very own crack baby ripped from your arms and exiled to life in an orphanage."

Pregnancy and childbirth certainly isnt happy balloon land, but it isnt hell, either. Women have been doing it since the awn of the human race, it can't be all that horrible. If "Mary" wanted to get rid of the baby in the first place, then people wouldnt exactly be ripping it out of her arms. And Im pretty sure that in America orphanages have been replaced by the foster care system, but I may be wrong. Its not like the baby would be stuck there for its life anyway, you kinda have to leave when you are 18. By the way, I know a guy who was raise as a ward of the state and his experience realy wasnt horrible, he is now a completely well adjusted adult and admirable member of society.
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Mary died during childbirth along with her unwanted crack baby,

People dieing during childbirth nowadays is highly unlikely.

You people make me so friggin angry. Do you ever stop to think that if your parents had aborted you, you wouldnt be here today? What if the person who invented the vaccination for smallpox had been aborted, or any other number of crucial people in history? Every person is important, and another person should not have the right to take a humans life away, no matter how early in development it is.
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Registered: August 17, 2001
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Is "preggers" the new and "cool" word for pregnant?

I think I completely missed that.

Does this mean I'm old school?
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Registered: December 13, 2002
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I like the part about the lamb.
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Registered: August 17, 2001
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..And people call me morbid. Pfft.
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Registered: March 02, 2003
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I especially like the first two sentences: Mary had a little lamb. One day she and the lamb were both sexually violated by a crusty old crack addict.

Heh. That made me laugh.
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Such an inspiring story/poem.
Registered: July 12, 2003
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yes I'm for abortion.
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Bravo!
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Okay, I wanted to write a poem, but I'm too damn lazy.

Mary had a little lamb. One day she and the lamb were both sexually violated by a crusty old crack addict. Mary got preggers. Then a mob of indignant conservatives gathered outside her door to yell at her for somehow deserving her fate and they showed her pictures of aborted fetuses until she broke down and wept. The angry mob went on to legislate against Mary's right to an abortion. "Don't worry," they said, "you can just go through the hell of pregnancy and childbirth and experience the joy of having your very own crack baby ripped from your arms and exiled to life in an orphanage." Mary died during childbirth along with her unwanted crack baby, and her family, I'm sure, lived happily ever after. Roll Eyes
Registered: May 03, 2003
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not really but i am pro choice
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