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Picture of Sunset
Registered: October 17, 2003
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For some people it does pay off. I can never forgive some people. I can't believe he forgave Mallard. That is one crazy nut. But, I guess it's better to forgive. And not be holding in that anger. But I can't do that. I can't forgive people if they really hurt me.
-Sunset Smile
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It's hard to forget especially, when an uncle is pumped three times at point-blank range with a 9 mm pistol. And then left lying on the ground, grasping for breath as Crip gang bangers make off with his pager and gun belt.

Yeah, hard to forgive that at first.

But deep down, I know moving on is a lot better than being alive and knowing that each and every minute of your life would be devoted to those people - not really people, animals even - in thinking or wishing they were dead.


My conscience bugs me a ton if I don't do the right thing when it comes to forgiveness, even when people don't ask for it.
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Registered: June 09, 2003
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Even if people seem to lack a conscience, they do feel guilt, even if they fail to show it
then a whole sh!tload of guilt must be building up inside [insert name].
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I always find forgivness easy to do in my life.
you must not have real bad problems, then, if you can forgive so easy.
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That is why it is important to forgive, because forgiveness can be the key to starting anew with our friends or family, etc.
its not family. and i dont want to forgive. i want this person to die a very slow and painful death.
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Registered: September 08, 2003
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Also, I try to forgive others when it's feasible because I hope that if I need it, others will forgive me. Love, Jen.
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Registered: August 14, 2003
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It is good to forgive, because usually they say you can feel the guilt lifting off their shoulders. This is true because it has happened to me so many times. Jesus said the you should forgive your brother or neighbor, friend, etc. 744 times (I can't really remember how many times, but its around there).
Yes forgiveness pays off, because you are showing the reflection of God's character, and God rewards us for this.
I can't really quite put my finger why people say forgive and forget, because yes, it is true, that it is hard to forget what the person in your life has done to you (tell me about it).
Nothing is fair in this world, but when you look at it it's as fair as it is gonna get. We should not let our anger overcome our compassionate side. I always find forgivness easy to do in my life. That is why it is important to forgive, because forgiveness can be the key to starting anew with our friends or family, etc.

Thanks for readin'.
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I forgive when it's easier for me to do so. If forgiveness is going to make my life easier, I forgive. If not, I don't. Unless, as I said, it's someone I care for, and then I do it because of that.
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Some people may feel more secure with themselves after forgiving others, but I am not part of that group. This is not to say that I refuse to ever forgive anyone, because I do. But for people whom I genuinely dislike, there's no reason to forgive.
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I'm sure some people feel better about themselves after they forgive, especially if they're following religious teachings or such. Besides, some forgiveness is necessary to maintain relationships with those we love. But that's a different kind of forgiveness, and done more to prevent them stewing in guilt than to make ourselves feel better. But it also benefits us by eliminating tension in our personal lives. Or whatever. Love, Jen.
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My point: why bother forgiving?

Of course that conscious gratification is much more pleasing than saying, "I forgive you," or "let's just forgive and forget, eh?"
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That's why I said to forgive or NOT to forgive...which way benefits us? The non-existent relief of forgiveness or the gratification of inflicting guilt? Or vice versa, if you do get something out of forgiveness.
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But what if they aren't guilt-stricken? Then the choice to forgive or not to forgive is solely for our benefit. Is it better for us to harbor a grudge against someone who doesn't care, or forgive them and move on? I still vote for making them into pot pies

Our benefit? I can't speak for you, but I rarely get any type of solace or gratification out of forgiving someone. Even if people seem to lack a conscience, they do feel guilt, even if they fail to show it. And that guilt will gradually develop over the years and eat them alive inside. Now that is gratification at its best. Either way, I can move on without problems.
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But what if they aren't guilt-stricken? Then the choice to forgive or not to forgive is solely for our benefit. Is it better for us to harbor a grudge against someone who doesn't care, or forgive them and move on? I still vote for making them into pot pies...Love, Jen.
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Why forgive people when you can let them shrivel away in their guilt-stricken, pathetic lives?

It's more fun that way.
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Hmm, or we could make them into an actual pot pie and bring them to a potluck supper...
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no, not morbid at all. i quite agree
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. we each have our own people that we want to personally strangle and decapitate, and torture...


And cook in their own juices until their skin flakes off like pot pie crust...

Sorry, was that morbid?

Jen.
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I believe that forgiveness is an important and admirable thing, but there are certain people I will never be able to forgive...
i agree with jen. we each have our own people that we want to personally strangle and decapitate, and torture...
Registered: August 20, 2003
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Why hello joey....
ummm, yeah, I think forgiveness is a good thing and people should learn to forgive more often.
I have a little trouble forgiving people if they have done something HORRIBLE to me or something.....
Registered: October 23, 2003
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I have always had problems forgiving someone, so more quilt for me..
But I would like to fix that, just don't know how.

Lucky you!
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I believe that forgiveness is an important and admirable thing, but there are certain people I will never be able to forgive...
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