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Registered: December 16, 2001
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I'm not full of hatred and venonmous rage ok! My daughter is only 10 months old and doesn't understand much right now for one, and I don't make Dean the topic of my conversation either, it is something I keep to myself. I never said ANYTHING about the Sep 11th tradgedy!!! I was talking about the people on death row. I didn't mean it in a rude way, I simply meant that I don't care about them or their situations b/c there's nothing I can do, and it doesn't concern me!! By the way, I am at peace w/ myself but really, thanks for your concern. Anyhow, I don't appreciate in your post you telling me how I need to think and that I'm being selfish or what not. You don't know me and how I feel or whether I need to have peace. That stuff irratates me. Regardless, of anything, I believe in the death penalty!! Bar none! For anybody who commits a serious crime!! Why is everyone trying to change my mind??? I have my views and so does everyone elase, we we're not born to think alike!! eek
Registered: November 05, 2001
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LilSarah69, I would like to respond to your recent posts...

Like many, I too have lost people very close to me for no reason but others' cruelty and stupidity. Again I am sorry for the loss of your father. It isn't fair and I know words cannot begin to explain what you are going/have gone through.

Your comments and apparent anger do concern me. Your words of revenge are really a step backwards. I understand that you can’t change the way you feel, however you can change the way you act. Think about your daughter. Do you want her to grow up hostile and unforgiving?
You say you could ‘care less about innocent people who lost or are going to lose their lives.’ That IS an extremely ignorant and immature statement (I am calling your statement immature, not you). That’s like saying you don’t care about the people who lost their lives on Sept. 11 because you didn’t know them and it doesn’t affect your life. Your statement illustrates a lack of compassion that is present in too many places today. THIS IS YOUR WORLD. You can make it better. I’m not saying go change/save the entire world, but rather save YOUR world. – The world you wake up to and say good night to. Your attitude does effect this world and the people you interact with daily. People like your daughter. That is a selfish, not to mention barbaric attitude. It is extremely unhealthy to carry around such negative feelings, especially with an impressionable child around. I hope that you can one day find peace within your self.

Registered: December 16, 2001
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I agree!! I'm also sorry for your loss as well. Look on the bright side, at least I'm not one of those people who say "I know how you feel" and they really don't! Cause I do!! Even though it has been years I still live with the pain of not having a father or a grandfather for my daughter. I also am not and was never offended by your posts, I don't think that different views or beliefs are reasons to argue, we each have our own way of looking at things and that is what makes us so unique!!! big grin big grin big grin
Registered: October 12, 2001
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I didn't think that I would be able to change your opinions on this issue. I'm sorry if I offended you with that other post, I didn't mean to. I'm also sorry (I know I've said this before) for the death of your father. I hope you are able to get over the pain caused by the murder. smile I still don't agree with the death penalty but that is no reason for us to be on unfriendly terms.

Peace Out! cool

Registered: December 16, 2001
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I'm sorry for your lost and take back what I said..but it still doesn't change the fact that I believe in the death penalty. In my very first post I stated that I already knew people were going to say, "you want him dead b/c of revenge" That isn't it at all. It wouldn't matter if my dad was still alive, I would still very firmly believe in it!! Either way, nothing can change my mind and nothing ever will. I'm sorry if you think I'm wrong for believing in it but hey, my mom always told me-"opinions are like a$$holes and everybody's got one!" big grin so, why debate the issue!! I'm sorry if I sound rude b/c I'm trying not to be b/c why fight and be mean?? I'm a happy person. big grin big grin big grin
Registered: October 12, 2001
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Angelface all I have to say to you is please don't judge me. I am not a cruel or mean person. I meant to offense, I was simple stating my opinion.
Registered: October 12, 2001
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I'm not judging you. I have had people close to me killed as well. So I understand what you're going through. But revenge is not the answer. Killing leads to more killing and then nothing is solved. I've had 4 people close to me killed, so don't tell me that I don't understand your sitution.
Registered: December 16, 2001
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Your're right stormyy-he didn't care about my dad's life, obviously that's why my father is dead!!! Your're not in my situation so...like I said, don't be so quick to judge me!! I'm not judging you b/c you don't support it, so please don't tell me how bad I am or anything about how Dean's feelings were towards my fathers life. Thank You!!! red face
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Registered: October 31, 2001
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Cmon....geez...how cruel can you be? That was really wrong and I didn't see any reason to throw that out on the board. That's just not right. frown
Registered: October 12, 2001
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If you don't care whether someone lives or dies then you are no better than the murder. He didn't care whether your father lived or not.
Registered: December 16, 2001
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Are you indiscreetly trying to call me immature?? I caught that!! As a matter of fact I believe in the death penalty!! NOTHING will change my mind!! The man who MURDERED my father-he doesn't care about human life!! I don't care about his life either!! I think he should DIE!!! And die a long horrible death just like my father did b/c of him!!! I couldn't careless about the innocent people who lost or or going to lose their lives. It's not my problem..sorry!! I know for 100% FACT he is guilty!! He even admitted to doing it and thought and still thinks it's funny!! He told my friends sister that he has no regrets-and would do it again if given the chance!! He's spending what 14 yrs. total in prison?? Not even that!! Now, since you aren't in my situation..don't be so quick to judge... roll eyes roll eyes roll eyes
Registered: November 05, 2001
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I do not believe in the death penalty either, however I used to. Here are a few things that changed my mind:

1) To believe in the death penalty is to believe in the American justice system. How can anyone in there right mind do this?!

‘..98 death row inmates were recently released after being wrongly convicted and 43 percent of 741 prisoners scheduled to be executed are African American.’

Ever here of Mumia Abu-Jamal? Not to mention Latinos and other minorities. The reality is that people are human. To err is human. Much of our errs’ as humans include the ‘isms’ talked about on these message boards. What has kept Abu-Jamal in prison, although he has had his death sentence removed, is that he was doing his job. As an award-winning Pennsylvania journalist, he exposed police violence against minority communities. Despite forensic evidence and key eyewitness testimony, Mumia remains in prison. Did I mention he is an African-American?
If you believe the American justice system is in fact just, think again. Mumia Abu-Jamal is just one example.

2.) Do two wrongs make a right? I also have lost people very close to me. Have I been angry? -Of course. Do I feel that those responsible deserve to die? No. What does that say? It is an extremely immature way to look at things. “He killed my sister, so he should die”. Where should we draw the line? What kind of example does this set for the youth? Do we value human life at all?? Keep in mind the statistics above. What happened to innocent until proven guilty? Not in this country.

3.) The reason murder is so prevalent is that we provide the tools. In this country there are many freedoms. I am at a loss for the right to bear arms. Think about it. The less guns we have, the less people murdered by them.

"Studies show that, for every case of self-protection homicide involving a firearm kept in the home, there were 1.3 accidental deaths, 4.6 criminal homicides and 37 suicides involving firearms. Keeping a gun in the home carries a murder risk 2.7 times greater than not keeping one."

Not to say that all murders are caused by guns, but they tend to fall into the hands of people, especially, youth that have no reason having them. Often they are needed to protect them from others with guns. Where are all of these guns coming from?? Like I said I am at a loss. Any attempt to regulate hand funs tends to make the folks using guns appropriately (I use this loosely because hunting is a whole other topic…that’s why we have grocery stores folks) angry. I think as a country we have lost on this one. Remember that that right to bear arms was declared over 200 years ago when the closest neighbor was at least a mile away. Are we really progressing with such ancient laws?

Just some things to think about.
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Registered: October 12, 2001
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LilSarah69 I'm very sorry for what happened to your father. My heart goes out to you and your family. smile

I agree that murders should not be allowed to wander the streets freely. People should pay for the evil things they do. But paying with their life is not always the best answer. Murders should suffer for causing heartbreak to the victim's loved ones (and for killing someone too of course) but death may simply be a welcome to them. I think that killers should pay for their crimes by spending the rest of their pitiful lives in a dark, dirty jail cell. If you kill a killer then you become a killer and therefore you should die as well. (I'm sorry if I sound insensitive) razz

Registered: December 16, 2001
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I am for it in cases of murder. I didn't before but when you experience it firsthand, well, let's just say it has changed my point of view on the death penalty. My father was murdered by a guy named Dean Evilsizer. I know how it feels. I believe if you take a life intentionally you should pay with yours. He took my father away from me for money. For money!!! Can you believe what money can drive us to do?? I feel in my heart he should die, he took something very special away from me for some pocket change?? That he didn't even need? He did not recieve the death penalty, but will be eligible in 2007 for parole..I don't want this psycho roaming the streets of my city...but this murderer will, he'll will someday be free. I just think he should die for what he has done, again, I feel very strongly about this issue b/c a murder took place in my family. I know I need to forgive him, and I know people will probably say that I want him to die for revenge purposes but that's not it at all, I just think in any case if you take a life you should pay with yours. It's only fair and would provide a sense of security for me. wink
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Registered: August 11, 2001
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I m also aganist the death penalty. How is death a punishment, it is more a state of peaceful mind for the community. I would also like to know the reasons people support the death penalty. My reasons for not supporting the death penalty are these, it costs more to use the death penalty then to put a criminal in a cell and feed him for 40 years, also there have been MANY mistakes made about criminals put on death row who they found out later were innocent. It is one thing to put an innocent man in prison, at least you can give him the rest of his life back, but to kill an innocent man there is no taking that back, he will forever be dead.
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