Abortion: There is a dream I have concerning abortion. It is that everyone will just shut up concerning the debates, seeing as they are infinitely circular, and go and DO SOMETHING to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies.

Abortion has been around a LONG time and will continue to be around A LONG time, so there really is no use debating it, now is there?

No, I thought not.

Okay, NOW! EJACULATE NOW DAMN IT! We've got a five second window, moron! Ejaculate now! Okay, there we go... Let's hope this works.

In case you can't tell, I hate the term "planned". People don't "plan" unless they're incapable in which case they see someone about it. THEN it's planned. Otherwise, you're simply "prepared".

Well, excuse me. Next time I'll be sure to submit a request form in triplicate before I judge you.

And you did it again! Dammit, stop twisting my words. That's not what I meant by a lack of responsibility. Jeez.

i have got news for you clpo13, i am 20 with two children i am happily married, we own our home and 2 cars. i am not mooching off my parents, my two children were planned, i moved out of my parents home when i was 18 and have been on my own ever since.....next time before you judge someone ask them about their life.....

just because i am 20 does not mean i am to young to be married or have children or have my own things and be responsible.

and you said i was a blithering idiot.....

You're twenty and you have a two year old kid. Your mom had you when she was sixteen.

Does anyone else see anything wrong with this situation?

No wonder you're defending abortion, Chrissy. Responsibility doesn't seem to run in the family. Sorry if that seems harsh, but that's how I feel. Go ahead and call me a heartless babykiller. I don't care.

OBviousleeee....

A couple of tips for you since you are new:
1. Don't mistake someone's signature with their post.
2. You look like an idiot when you are for/against something only because God/your religion tells you to be. Also, you need to at least acknoweldge science when you are debating (read: don't mention Adam and Eve.)

If you think abortion is your right to control even though you have nothing to do with the circumstances, why would you not think that the woman carrying the fetus should have the right to abortion, considering the circumstances DIRECTLY AFFECT her? In other words, why would it be your right to say no to abortion if the women who it actually concerns can't say yes?

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Originally posted by ChrissyLynn:
we are humans not God, i think its time we stopped trying to play the role.

Okay. So, we won't cure cancer, AIDS, malaria, West Nile, the chicken pox, diabetes, hepatitis A B or C, heart attacks, syphillis, pneumonia, strep throat, mononeuclosis, etc.

We'll, you know, just let God do his work.

I'll let you explain to your kid, when she's sick in bed with strep throat, coughing and clutching her stuffed giraffe, that you don't play God and if she wants to be cured, she has to let God play his role.

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God is not the reason bad things happen to this world, Adam and Eve introduced sin to the world.

That's simple mathematics. If God creates Adam and Eve, and Adam and Eve create sin, did God not create sin?

But I really don't want to get into that debate. That should stay on the Spirituality Boards.

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Bush is not doing anything to womens rights by trying to save the unborn.

You probably shouldn't talk about politics. Taking away my right to remove something from my body is an invasion of my privacy and a general hinderance on my free will. Bush has no right to decide that his beliefs should be law.

Overturning Roe v. Wade is just a giant step backward for America. The more steps backward you take, the more likely you are to fall.

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it should not be a womans right to kill the unborn, it should be no ones "right"

Which is your opinion, and while everyone respects that, how did you form that decision? On common sense? Is it logical to you that what I do to my body ISN'T just my business? Should I also tell you that I plucked my eyebrows recently? I brushed my teeth this morning? Shall I send you weekly reports of my activity?

I think you get my point.

You came to that decision through religion. And while that's great, religion cannot be law. Period.

and i said they may do nothing at all,

God is not the reason bad things happen to this world, Adam and Eve introduced sin to the world.

Bush is not doing anything to womens rights by trying to save the unborn.

it should not be a womans right to kill the unborn, it should be no ones "right"

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one day they could cure an aweful disease

WORST ARGUMENT EVER!

"What if that lump of cells/parasite would one day become the next Hitler/Saddam/Bush?"

"allowing" someone to die and physically removing growing life (an unborn baby) is obviously not the same thing.

we are humans not God, i think its time we stopped trying to play the role.

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well again comparing fetal intelligence to mice intelligence is still comparing a fetus to a mouse. no matter how much you insist otherwise.

nuh uh! Mice poop through their butt holes and it enters the air and they eat with their own mouth.. Fetuses don't do either - they need the momma to do it for 'em. DUH!

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secondly some mentaly retarded people are not "self aware" should we just kill them as well?

We don't do that. It's called "allowing" someone to die. Unplug the vegetables!

well again comparing fetal intelligence to mice intelligence is still comparing a fetus to a mouse. no matter how much you insist otherwise.

why is it so hard to see that while a fetus is a human under construction it is still a human.

one day they could be contibuting to society

one day they could cure an aweful disease

and one day they could do nothing at all, but it is still life even though it cant fend for itself.

my mother had me when she was 16, some people encouraged abortion but she kept me, if she had aborted me i would have never been....my 2 year old daughter and my 4 month old son would not be either.

when you kill one life you could ultimatly be killing an entire line of people.

See, the pro-lifers have NO way to make a fetus deserve humane treatment to begin with.

Define a human fetus so that it stands apart from any other living organism. Let's see, it must have free thought. It should be able to use tools. . . hmmm, pain? Nope, frog has it. Heartbeat? Nope, a group of cardiac tissue has a heartbeat too. Hmm, gotta be the feeling of pain? Nope, studies (recent ones as in last month) show that fetuses only feel pain starting the late 6 to early 7th month. There's gotta be something else right? Oh no. . . it doesn't get to make a conscious decision! Hmm, well, that's too bad because it CAN'T! Well, hey hey, I'm just trying to extend equal rights. . . well, I remember something about that in the amendments in the Constitution! Wait, they say all people born in the States. Gee, I wonder if fetuses in the womb have been born yet? Ick, guess not. Guess those mentally retarded guys have been born though. . . beating of a heart. . . haha, chrissy, you make me laugh. Which is bad because I still have to finish that damn English assignment that's gonna take about 3 more hours. And it's 3 in the morning. *he can't think straight anymore!*

Liang

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comparing a human fetus to a rat is just sad ....

Rat? Where did I say rat? Did I say rat?

Twisting my words into something else is one sure way to be condemned as a blithering idiot. I never compared fetuses to rats. I didn't even compare them to mice. I merely stated that while people seem so concerned about the well-being of a fetus, millions of rodents are killed in horribly gruesome ways. And as far as we know, fetuses are on the same intelligence level as those rodents.

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secondly some mentaly retarded people are not "self aware" should we just kill them as well?

If you're talking about people like Terri Schiavo, in other words, people who have no chance of ever being "normal", then yes.

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meaning they feel pain

So do fish.

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it is a baby with a brain and a heart and all the other organs required for living, and it has all 10 fingers and toes eyes and a nose and completely human looking

I'm not a proponent of late-term abortion. Not all abortions are like that.

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But just as a human fetus they to have a place and deserve life.

Why? Do they do anything for society? Do they advance the world in any way?

yes some humans deserve to be compared to crap....not a human fetus.

and i am not talking about the "high functioning" mentally challenged, i am talking about the ones who are so far gone that they dont know what world they are in let alone who they actually are. But just as a human fetus they to have a place and deserve life.

getting your ears pierced is a volontary decision you make for yourself, you CHOOSE to have them pierced and expect some pain, a fetus does not CHOOSE to be aborted (or if you want my word for it) killed, the pain inflicked on them is by someone else choosing it for them.

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comparing a human fetus to a rat is just sad ....

You're right, some humans should be compared to crap.

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secondly some mentaly retarded people are not "self aware" should we just kill them as well?

Actually, they respond to their enviroment pretty well. Pop a balloon in front of an autistic boy and he'll go insane, for exmple. They have emotions. They feel loyalty, lust, etc.

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secondly some mentaly retarded people are not "self aware" should we just kill them as well?

If we were to base this whole "no pain" thing on babies, then ear piercing should also be illegal.

first of all,
comparing a human fetus to a rat is just sad ....
secondly some mentaly retarded people are not "self aware" should we just kill them as well?

And an unborn childs central nervous system develop early on meaning they feel pain, in a part birth abortion a childs head is born and the baby is killed before the rest of the body is born...it is not, at this point "a bundle of cells" it is a baby with a brain and a heart and all the other organs required for living, and it has all 10 fingers and toes eyes and a nose and completely human looking. it is extracted from a womans body, killed and thrown away like a piece of trash.

Ironically, mice aren't nearly as annoying as a hormone-driven idiot teenager who thinks your excrement is made by $100 bills.