Mice have hearbeats but no one cares about killing them. And mousetraps are not humane as abortions. Last I heard they are--for the most part--very quick.

So yes, I suppose a fetus is a bundle of cells with a heartbeat, but until a fetus is proven to be self-aware, I'll stick to being pro-choice.

let me first say i am pro life,
no one as far as i read made light of the fact that a fetus has a beating heart by the time a woman learns she is pregnant (by missing her menstual cycle) about 5-6 weeks pregnant. so the abortion would take place after the fetus has a heartbeat.

someone called it a bundle of cells....well yes but with a beating heart.

someone else said something to the effect of calling abortion murder was like calling ejaculation and menstrating murder....well an egg does not have a heartbeat, and (obviously) neither does a sperm.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Roe v. Wade is not a law. It's a precedent. The Supreme Court ruled that outlawing abortion was unconstitutional. It's as strong as a law, but it isn't one.

I direct you to the supremely useful Wikipedia for more on the matter.

I meant that "all" to include pretty much all of the fedral gov. not just justices.

a side note:
I think that it is crap that the supreme court was allowed to make that law(roe vs wade). I mean that is not one of their constitutional powers. They are to interpret the laws not make them. Especially since they are not elected.

That's probably the first time I've heard John Roberts called a ninny. Strange how even conservatives are divided...

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And no one is willing to overturn Roe v. Wade any time soon.

That is because they're all ninnies

Does it really matter how irresponsible they were? The people who are affected are already pregnant to that doesn't matter anyways. How they got pregnant is a nonissue. If you want to talk about drunk rape, carelessness, etc, start a new thread. It's a moot point here.

Irresponsibility. Loss of inhibition is getting drunk and dancing on a bar counter or something. Something reckless, but not dangerous or harmful. Getting pregnant (while high and with someone you barely know, especially) is just bein' a fool. An irresponsible fool.

I personally feel my cousin was irresponsible. And this is just my opinion in my personal life, a cousin only I know.

Basically, it was the summer before her senior year. She was on vacation with her family out by the beach for a continuum of six weeks. Within the first week, she had a boyfriend. Against her family's persistence, and then their rules and curfews, she still saw this MAN. (23 vs. 17...) Then, from what I understand, she started doing drugs with him around the fourth week, and by the fifth week she had lost her virginity and had sex at least another four times before the six week mark was up. Every time it was without condoms, while they were both high, though they both said he pulled out (NOT EFFECTIVE MORONS). She realized she was pregnant two weeks before school started and had to tell her parents. They all wanted to get an abortion, especially after they contacted the father and he said she was a **** and it wasn't his, except my cousin and my aunt (her mom).

Now, it's not a question of is it right or wrong, but was this case a case of inhibition, or irresponsibility?

Tell that to a rape victim.

my friend wanted to abort and i understand that yeah its hard to support a baby but you should think about that before you decide to be inresposible, to me if you get pregnant take your resposibility and live with it

This is such a good explanation of how abortion isn't murder that I think I'll say it for the third time (too many damned abortion threads):

Murder is the illegal taking of a life.

Abortion is the legal destruction of a fetus.

So, if murder is illegal and abortion isn't, it's obvious that abortion isn't murder until someone outlaws it. And no one is willing to overturn Roe v. Wade any time soon.

You're not missing anything if you're aborted. The fact that you cannot consciously know you'd be missing something should tell you that it is not murder.

It's a bit oddly worded, but I think Yuka is asking, how would you know what you're missing if you were aborted?

Well, because you're such an eloquent writer/speaker, I cannot understand your supposed question. Try asking it in English next time. Although I wouldn't bother because there would be a nice rebuttal that might make you cry or become mad.

Let me just propose a question:
What would the girls like if their mother abort them, and don't they love the live, in which they are living?

It's actually all one question.

Peace,
Yuka

I am for abortion because its the right thing. Young women get pregnant and they have no way to support the baby and themselves... the father is lost somewhere... maybe the girl was wrong to have sex, but it was her choice.. unless it was rape. Some people weren't meant to be mothers.
When you think of all the younger generation of girls that have sex and get pregnant they have to go through extreme things. They can't take care of a baby, if they have no place to go... because thats the way it is when some parents find out. They have to go to dirty doctors to get rid of the baby, they can't go to a clinic. It sounds like the seventies and below... using hangers and what not. Its scary what some people have to go through.
Some people just need to have an aboration, may it be right or wrong. Its just the way it has to be.

I believe abortion is wrong. God has his reasons for giving you a life to take care of. For all we know the next child being killed could have invented the cure for some horrible disease. Besides if they can't take care of the poor thing, put it up for adoption. That is what happened to me, and i turned out fine.

lol, clpo.


Most mothers choose abortions because they simply cant care for the child, the child would be born to live in squalor and poverty, and live a miserable loveless life. So surly god doesnt want this to happen to his children? or does it have to be given a chance of life so that it can show its love and devotion to god and then get into heaven? after having lived a truly miserable life? is that part of gods plan? i dont believe in god but if he does exists he can go **** himself, what i just described seems more like a creation of 'satan'


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