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and if god has placed something inside of it like a child, then we should respect that.

It wasn't God.

Well i really dont agree with it at all.
some ppl like to argue that its the mothers choice to abort her baby or not. because its her body...i dont agree. our bodies are temples for god. and if god has placed something inside of it like a child, then we should respect that.
but i respect those who dont agree...
kyou are entitled to your oppinion all the way. just like i am to mine.
but that is all i have to say...

Okay, fine. *grumbles about Carlos teaming up with the voices in his head*

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But you know the main difference is that when you get into the car or on your own bed your taking your own life into account ....with abortion its another life that we are talking about

But if you think this, then you must logically be against the taking of any life, be it human or animal. Besides, the fetus is still part of the mother's body when most abortions are performed. It's completely subject to the mom.

I'm not going to argue about life and murder and whatnot. My reason for being pro-choice is that forcing the child to be born into a family that doesn't want it is cruel. It may not be murder, but there are some things worse than death. Having parents that never wanted you is one of those things.

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Not that I think this, Kate, but that could be used against you to say that the little voice is God because everyone hears it.

We already decided it's not God, it's Carlos :P

clpo13 ....agree with all the arguments . Abstinence will never work and whatever you do however you handle accidents WILL happen . But you know the main difference is that when you get into the car or on your own bed your taking your own life into account ....with abortion its another life that we are talking about .

Did you read any of the past posts loca? Because you basically restated what many people have already said.

I think that abortion is wrong. If girls don't want to have children or have the chance then DON'T HAVE SEX!! When you have sex using protection or not, you are still giving yourself to chance to get pregant.

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I wonder if they all have "C" names?

Well technically they are all the same. He just has many different alias's. You know how these things go

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Atheists get their ideas of what's rignht and wrong from religion.

If I got my ideas of right and wrong from religion...
I would believe that abortion is wrong.
I would believe being gay is wrong.
I would believe being an atheist is wrong.

I don't believe any of those things. So....?

Carlos? Weird, mine is named Chris... I wonder if they all have "C" names?

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I know this is hard to understand but it's still their fault for haivng sex, they knew the risks.

400 people die each year from falling off their beds. Do we blame them for getting into bed in the first place? No. Accidents happen. Sometimes it's no one's fault.

I know it's hard to understand, but...

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So the possibility of getting pregnant is a good enough reason for abstinence.

The possibility of dying in your car is a good enough reason to stay away from cars, right? Wrong. The mere possibility of something bad is never a good reason not to do something. You need more than a possibility.

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I'm sorry but there has to be a basis of what's right or wrong and where do we find this except religion?

That's assuming there's a set definition of what's right and wrong. But morality is more or less relative. Some people find certain things right, while other people find those same things wrong. How do you explain that if morality is black and white?

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If you believe in evolution then it would make no sense for us to think it's wrong to kill.

What? Belief in evolution would actually encourage the idea that killing is wrong. Yeah, yeah, survival of the fittest, but the simple fact is that you can't spread your species if you kill each other all the time.

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Yeah, you know that little voice in your head that tells you right from wrong? It's not God. The atheist hear him, too.

Not that I think this, Kate, but that could be used against you to say that the little voice is God because everyone hears it.

Hi Carlos!

*waves*

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Originally posted by LoveTheRainbow:

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Yeah, you know that little voice in your head that tells you right from wrong?

His name is Carlos.

Say hi Carlos.

hahaha

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Yeah, you know that little voice in your head that tells you right from wrong?

His name is Carlos.

Say hi Carlos.

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Atheists get their ideas of what's rignht and wrong from religion

Quite the opposite. Religion got it's idea of what's right from society. Yeah, you know that little voice in your head that tells you right from wrong? It's not God. The atheist hear him, too. That's where you get right and wrong from. Common sense.

Conflictingzest,
I understand where you are coming from, but in my post i said "If Abortion is legal, then it is okay if you beleive that it's okay"

I said legal because I understand that people could think the same thing as you posted.

If something is legal, then its okay if YOU think it is okay.

If you dont want an abortion, do not get one.
It doesn't matter what our opinions are because guess what? Its still LEGAL.
There are ALWAYS going to be people with different beleifs, so you just cant win everything.
Sorry if that sounded rude, im just trying to express my own opinion.

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I'm sorry but there has to be a basis of what's right or wrong and where do we find this except religion?

Our emotions. Religion and the morals that go with them are the product of our emotions. Even if you're raised without religion, you could still feel guilty for hitting someone in the face. Or for killing an innocent child. We're social creatures that aren't exactly fond of hurting those that are close to us or those that we want to feel a connection to. So when normal humans with normal brains do something "bad" they are corrected by the powerful emotions they feel afterward. If someone doesn't feel that, they are Sociopathic.

Anyway, I don't even know why this is an arguement. Of course it's your fault for getting pregnant. Unless you were raped. If you make a conscious decision to spread your legs and put yourself at risk, and the inevitable happens, it's your fault. Not the contraceptives' fault. Yours. Contraceptives are inanimate objects that can't think.

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So athiests don't know what is right and wrong? Because that is what your saying....You can find out what is right and wrong without religion. you also forget theat religions have been wrong before. The crusades, the inquisition, witch hunts....

Atheists get their ideas of what's rignht and wrong from religion. that's where the rest of society has done. why else do you think it's wrong to kill someone? If you believe in evolution then it would make no sense for us to think it's wrong to kill.

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Ah but you forget the cirvumstaces under which you start. People honestly believe that they won't get addicted. Others are mosinformed. Plus, taking heroin is a bit different from having sex, for one heroin is illegal, sex is not.

People honestly believe they won't get pregnant. actually it's a pretty fair comparison, you can be addicted to both, both can cause serious health problems and both are things we have a significant about of knowledge on. Just because heroin is illegal and sex isn't doesn't mean that my comparison was wrong. it's still the parents fault for having sex. they could have said no but they didn't and now there's a baby, it's plainly and simply their fault.

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Originally posted by conflictingzest:
If i'm addicted to heroin, guess what? it's my fault, i knew it was addictive and destructive so it's my fault.

Ah but you forget the cirvumstaces under which you start. People honestly believe that they won't get addicted. Others are mosinformed. Plus, taking heroin is a bit different from having sex, for one heroin is illegal, sex is not.

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I'm sorry but there has to be a basis of what's right or wrong and where do we find this except religion?

So athiests don't know what is right and wrong? Because that is what your saying....You can find out what is right and wrong without religion. you also forget theat religions have been wrong before. The crusades, the inquisition, witch hunts....

Hey clpo13,

I know this is hard to understand but it's still their fault for haivng sex, they knew the risks. If i'm addicted to heroin, guess what? it's my fault, i knew it was addictive and destructive so it's my fault. Also heroin being addictive and lethal is a good enough reason for me not to do it. So the possibility of getting pregnant is a good enough reason for abstinence. Also we aren't debating over whether or not that's reason enough, we were just debating over who's at fault (both of them).

EllieN,

I Think that that train of thought will be the downfall of society. No one's accountable to anybody under that system. I could kill a man and because it's "right for me" then it's right. At the same time i could rape and murder some guys wife and becuase it was "right for me" then it was the right thing to do. I'm sorry but there has to be a basis of what's right or wrong and where do we find this except religion?

That's no reason to not do it. You put yourself at risk by simply walking out your door every day. But that's no reason to stay inside all the time. Of course, staying inside can be dangerous, too...

I'm sure most people who know what they're doing realize that there will always be a chance of pregnancy even with super-effective contraceptives. Of course, there are some who think pulling out is 100% effective, which is why sex education is so important.