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Besides, modern birth control pills are something like 99% effective, so you can't blame people for thinking they're safe.

but no birth control is 100% effective so they should realize that they asre still puting themselves at risk.

Abortion should be a choice just as relgion is a choice.

If you beleive in God and beleive he created Earth, and beleive that you have to make a connection with Him in order to get to heaven, you are probably going to take the steps in proceeding your belief.

If you are not a Christian; maybe you worship some other God, most likely you are going to
follow the teachings of that God and do what's right for that specific religion and belief.

If Abortion legal, then it is okay if you beleive that it's okay.
Why does it matter to you if your neighbor has an abortion? That is their own private doing, just as if you do not beleive in same sex
relationships/mariages, why do you care if you see two people of the same sex holding hands at the park?
At least you know by following your beleif that you are doing whats right for you,and you "know" you are going to Heaven, then why do you care so much what theyre doing?

Just let people do what they want. If it's murder to you, then dont do it.
No matter what you beleive in, there are going to be people out there that arent going to agree with you.

Annnddd I'm done.

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it is the parents fault for putting htemselves in the position where they have the possibility of getting pregnant then it is their fault if they do.

Isn't that kind of like saying fat people are fat because they put themselves in a position where they have a possibility of eating too much food? Besides, modern birth control pills are something like 99% effective, so you can't blame people for thinking they're safe.

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and in my personal opinion that it's the guys fault because the man should be responsible for the direction the relationship is heading because the guy should be leading the relationship.

Er, what? It's the responsibility of both parties in a relationship to say where the relationship is headed. Anything else isn't a true relationship. Both sides need to participate in the decision-making, especially when it comes to sex.

Heh, using that line of thinking, the blame could fall back on the girl for letting the guy make bad decisions.

actually affaculo, it is the parents fault for putting htemselves in the position where they have the possibility of getting pregnant then it is their fault if they do. You have to take responsibility for your own action.
That's like saying that it's somebody elses fault when you killed someone because your brakes failed when you had been warned by your mechanic that you're brakes needed to be fixed. You knew the risk, you took the chance and you killed someone, it's your fault.

It's the same with pregnancies, you know there's a chance of getting pregnant, you took the chance, now you're pregnant it's your fault.

Now, don't mistake this as me saying it's the girls fault, really it's both parents fault because either could say no. and in my personal opinion that it's the guys fault because the man should be responsible for the direction the relationship is heading because the guy should be leading the relationship.

That's my rant.

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But when a teen gets "accidentally" pregnant because they don't use protection, that is their own fault.

I know this is kinda late, but...

It isn't ALWAYS someones fault. The fact is that condoms and other birth control methods (with the exception of abstinance, of course) are not perfect. So, as I said before, it wouldn't be anybody's fault

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If the baby has AIDS, the mother almost definately has it too.

Exactly ....hmmm actually it should be the other way around

I think that's what she meant to say, just got it flipped around.

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If the baby has AIDS, the mother almost definately has it too.

Exactly ....hmmm actually it should be the other way around

If the baby has AIDS, the mother almost definately has it too.

Just a thought.

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Why exactly does the mother have more of a right over the so called "CHILD"?

What if its not necassarily just the mother having the medical problem but what if because of it the child is born deformed beyond repair or with AIDS or .......whatever .....
If you knew that before the child was born its kinda like euthanasia right ....its kinder on the child if he/she is aborted .

PRO- Choise Baby!!!! 'Sides The system sucks... if you don't gett adopted by the time your Five or six you have very little chance to get adopted... And wouldn't it suck if you found out that your mom never wanted you...

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But I don't see anyone trying to ban pregnancy.

Now I like that idea, ban pregnancy and all our problems would be solved! No more overpopulation, no more teen mothers... you're brilliant clpo!

Oh wait, I'm sensing a flaw in my argument....

Sorry, couldn't resist and my brain is fuzzy from school all day.

couldn't edit, anyway just ignore my second question about why the mother blablabla...I think I've already asked this before and got an answer.

The thing that REALLY pisses me off about so called PRO-LIFE people is when a)they are for the death penalty and against abortion, well AT LEAST do yourselves a favor and call yourselves ANTI-ABORTION or something but not fucking pro-LIFE because it's just too ridiculous. and b) when you're against abortion because "it's the cruel and brutal murder of a BABY" BUT it's acceptable if the woman got raped. okay? what the fuck? Does it stop being a "baby" if the woman was raped?

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Now if it's a life-threatening problem, then that is a whole other situation.

Why exactly does the mother have more of a right over the so called "CHILD"? (just wondering)

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Not only that it causes psychological problems for the women who get abortions!

well why don't we let them deal with that, huh? And as clpo pointed out already, pregnancy can cause postpartum depression, and for what I've heard that's not pretty either. So don't use the whole "women who get abortions get depressed", PLEASE. I think when someone has an abortion they're pretty conscious about that and feel it is NECESSARY, no one likes having abortions.

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THAT my good friend is what adoption is for. It is murder, and it is wrong.

Adoption is murder? My God, I didn't know... Gotta work on your pronoun use there, girl.

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But when a teen gets "accidentally" pregnant because they don't use protection, that is their own fault.

And how many teens do you think have the money to get abortions? Hmm? The vast majority of people who get abortions are in the 20-29 age range. Teens between 15 and 19 make up a grand total of 19 percent of abortions, which is actually less than in past years. Sources here and here.

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That unborn child can feel, and it is not right for a child, not metter how big, born, or unborn, to be sucked out of the mother with a vaccum! It's barbaric!

If you aren't against all forms of animal killing, you're a hypocrite. Fish feel. Dogs feel. Cows feel. Plants (probably) feel. That's not a very strong argument.

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Not only that it causes psychological problems for the women who get abortions!

Pregnancies have also been shown to cause psychological problems, sometimes even leading for women with extreme postpartum depression to kill their kids (Andrea Yates, anyone?). But I don't see anyone trying to ban pregnancy.

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The child could have been the future preident or someone important but if a woman aborts her child just because she doesn't feel like being a mother or carrying around something she created, I think it is selfish.

As HL said, that's a poor, poor argument. The child could have just as easily been the next Stalin. You're also simplifying the reason most women get abortions. It's not always because they don't want to be a mom. Most of the time it's because they can't support the kid, or it was a birth-control failure, or a rape, or any number of non-selfish things. You cannot seriously tell me that an abortion performed to save the child from a crappy childhood is selfish.

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I'm not usually so big on this but for the women or girls get pregant because they weren't thinking and using protection, that's again, their problem.

Of course. Anyone who has unprotected sex and thinks they won't get pregnant needs a serious reality check. But the problem is that many teens have unprotected sex because they were never sufficiently taught about protection. A lot of people get abstinence-only sex education, which doesn't do anything for the people who are going to have sex anyways. They don't know about birth control pills. They don't know about condoms. We should concentrate more on providing people methods of prevention, not banning abortion. Not only that, but the option of abortion should be left open for instances such as rape, harm to the mother and/or child, and failure of birth control, which is rare but does happen.

I agree that abortion is something best left unperformed, but it should still be a viable option. Removing that option will only lead to unsafe, back-alley abortions. Banning abortion is not the same as eliminating it.

Superstar:
A) Don't use the "could have been the next president" thing. It's pathetic. The kid could be the next Unibomber.
B) They feel pain? Really?
C) Abortions can cause psychological problems, granted. But so can having a child before you're ready to cope with that. Or being raised by such a mother. Or driving on a freeway.
D) Did you not read ANY of the other posts?!?
E) I know this is your opinion and you are welcome to it but please argue intelligently and don't take the right away from the rest of us.

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Isn't it also true that the child deserves a good life? Forcing it to be born into a family that doesn't want it or can't support it is more cruel than ending its life before it even began.

THAT my good friend is what adoption is for. It is murder, and it is wrong. A child does not ask to be created, and I'm aware many circumstances are not the mother's fault, such as rape. But when a teen gets "accidentally" pregnant because they don't use protection, that is their own fault. That unborn child can feel, and it is not right for a child, not metter how big, born, or unborn, to be sucked out of the mother with a vaccum! It's barbaric! Not only that it causes psychological problems for the women who get abortions! The child could have been the future preident or someone important but if a woman aborts her child just because she doesn't feel like being a mother or carrying around something she created, I think it is selfish. That is another living breathing person inside them. Now if it's a life-threatening problem, then that is a whole other situation. I'm not usually so big on this but for the women or girls get pregant because they weren't thinking and using protection, that's again, their problem.

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but in all truth the child deserves a chance.

Isn't it also true that the child deserves a good life? Forcing it to be born into a family that doesn't want it or can't support it is more cruel than ending its life before it even began.

Shoot. You're right.

I stand corrected

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I would like to point out that this ‘Child’ you keep referring to is not actually a child.

Hey hey now, you didn't read the total definitions there:

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Dictionary.com:

child (chīld) Pronunciation Key
n. pl. chil·dren (chĭl'drən)

1.
1. A person between birth and puberty.
2. A person who has not attained maturity or the age of legal majority.
3. An unborn infant; a fetus.
4. An infant; a baby.
5. An individual regarded as strongly affected by another or by a specified time, place, or circumstance: a child of nature; a child of the Sixties.
6. A product or result of something specified: "Times Square is a child of the 20th century" (Richard F. Shepard).

Child is indeed defined as an unborn human. Stopy trying to use semantics as an arguement here.

What infuriates me most about abortion debates is when pro-choicers say "It's not a child because":
1.) The dictionary says so.
2.) A group of doctors say so.
3.) A law says so.

These things are nothing more than arbitrary opinions. And without any reasoning backing up those opinions, they're hollow and meaningless.

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The Mother should have to carry the child because it's now a human being. why should the child have to die because it's father was a rapist?

I would like to point out that this ‘Child’ you keep referring to is not actually a child.

child - a person between birth and full growth; a boy or girl

It is a fetus or an embryo.


fe•tus –
(used chiefly of viviparous mammals) the young of an animal in the womb or egg, esp. in the later stages of development when the body structures are in the recognizable form of its kind, in humans after the end of the second month of gestation.

em•bry•o -
1.
a. An organism in its early stages of development, especially before it has reached a distinctively recognizable form.
b. An organism at any time before full development, birth, or hatching.
c. The fertilized egg of a vertebrate animal following cleavage.
d. In humans, the prefetal product of conception from implantation through the eighth week of development.
2.
a. The fertilized egg of a vertebrate animal following cleavage.
b. In humans, the prefetal product of conception from implantation through the eighth week of development.