I'm not a person filled with hatred. I like you both for the most part. But this seriously has got to stop. One of you has to be the bigger person and just ignore the other completely. You guys may not agree with the others opinion, but enough with the verbal attacks! This is seriously pathetic. So please just both of you agree with Ikki, and let that be that.

I know, because you have a knack for saying the wrong things.

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So why the hell do you keep spitting bull**** about me?

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did i???? i believe you are also cursing about me!

So why the hell do you keep spitting bull**** about me?

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Hey, Jamaica? Can I ask you to only debate the topic at hand and not to belittle Celtic?

Hey, Celtic? Can I ask you to only debate the topic at hand and not belittle Jamaica?

This is getting pathetic on both of your parts.

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Ok!!! fine whatever.....can i just ask why you care for both of us yet people call me mean things because i am righteous and that i just want to make a difference??? because you know ikki, you caring for me and celtic means you are making a difference and that is to promote peace... so why then do you shut your eyes and ears and follow those people who hates righteousness??????????????

I know, that's why I'm not saying anything mean today.

Hey, Jamaica? Can I ask you to only debate the topic at hand and not to belittle Celtic?

Hey, Celtic? Can I ask you to only debate the topic at hand and not belittle Jamaica?

This is getting pathetic on both of your parts.

Not as much as you, dearest.

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So women who don't have babies are never women?

Thanks, Jamaica, another one to report.

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No...but in your case, you aborted yours... how pathetic.

So women who don't have babies are never women?

Thanks, Jamaica, another one to report.

You can't say, you've never been pregnant.

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Not every pregnant woman is depressed, and you were mainly because of your situation I think. And yes I do feel that age can be a factor.

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i think that being pregnant is not supposed to make you feel depressed... i mean, what makes a woman is through motherhood, not sex or lust.

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I still have reason to believe they are correct.

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For sake of interest, may I hear your reasoning?

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Thank you, Bogey. I get really annoyed when people seem to only blame it on the woman by saying things like: "She should keep her legs closed!" when it is equally the man's fault.

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Yeah, well it is partnership, so they should both take responsibility and take on the consequences. That is why I completely disagree that a woman can have an abortion without consulting the father.

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Why? to the first part

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Animals do not have reason. They cannot rationalize. They are secondary to us. Therefore, the killing of animals can be justified many times.

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Why not? to the second.

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Now humans, on the other hand, are equal to each other. We all have the same human dignity and deserve the same respect. As equals, we should be treated equal and just.

Of course you could endlessly keep asking, "Why?," but this would go on forever. Those are my thoughts. Of course they probably can't be proven correct; I still have reason to believe they are correct.
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it is the woman's (and the man's) fault

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Thank you, Bogey. I get really annoyed when people seem to only blame it on the woman by saying things like: "She should keep her legs closed!" when it is equally the man's fault.

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The killing of animals is intrinsically justified. The killing of humans is not.

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Why? to the first part, Why not? to the second.

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A friend of mine has an extremely bad case of Cystic Fibrosis.

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Does he wish he were dead?

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if a baby were to be concieved, his wife and him should have the right to abort it, knowing that its life would be pretty miserable.

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No, they shouldn't. The quality of life is all based on the actual individual's perception. It would be unjust for them to take their child's life because they feel - not know- that the child would have a miserable life. They cannot try to assume how the child is going to feel of his/her own life. Maybe the child would want to live over dying. Just in case he/she would want to live, you have to keep the child alive. It would be unfair not to.

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O, please. Why is it so important to be as "fit" and "healthy" as we can? The purpose of the creating the best gene pool, is to become more advanced and thus creating life better. If it takes killing human lives to do so, isn't that defeating the purpose? And anyway, if this is your logic, shouldn't we be allowed to kill born human that have mental disabilities? I mean, they are just a detriment to society? Why does birth make a difference - a human is a human.

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A friend of mine has an extremely bad case of Cystic Fibrosis. He doesn't want to have children partly because of that. He's always in alot of pain about which nothing can be done. When he has sex, if a baby were to be concieved, his wife and him should have the right to abort it, knowing that its life would be pretty miserable.

Cystic Fibrosis is a ginetic disorder that makes people overly sensitive to light, sound, movement and makes your muscles hurt constantly.

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Women have a body, it is their right to decide what to do with that body

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For a vast, vast majority of the cases (all of the cases besides rape), it is the woman's (and the man's) fault that a human life was created. Now, a woman should not be allowed to kill a human life, especially one that was created because of her.

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If a child is going to be born with physical or mental defects and this is discovered before birth, then they should be aborted. Because by using our advanced technology we would give these people something that resembles a life and we would be poisoning the gene pool.

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O, please. Why is it so important to be as "fit" and "healthy" as we can? The purpose of the creating the best gene pool, is to become more advanced and thus creating life better. If it takes killing human lives to do so, isn't that defeating the purpose? And anyway, if this is your logic, shouldn't we be allowed to kill born human that have mental disabilities? I mean, they are just a detriment to society? Why does birth make a difference - a human is a human.

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It should only be used in cases where the child is better off dead than alive.

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If this was everybody's logic, than there would never be an abortion.

Anyway, it would only be an assumption if someone were to think that a child would be better off dead than alive. An assumption should never be used as proof in a case that involves life or death. The benefit of the doubt should always go to life.

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Partial birth abortions are not even used any more, and the only abortion that is legal under Roe vs. Wade is first trimester abortions in which the baby has no brain functions.

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That is not entirely true. Only third trimester abortions were totally banned. Also, I think California repudiated the law, somehow. I'm not too well-informed on the law, but I know it is not as restrictive as it was meant to be and that most people think it to be.

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Kind of like being on a life support system, they just unplug it like they did my grandmother.

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By pulling the plug, the person dies completely naturally. By having an abortion, the person dies completely unnaturally. It is not a human right to unjustifiably kill someone. It is a human right to live.

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Because, it's still life.

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The reason why the abortion issue is such a hot topic is because abortion is the killing of a human being. The killing of animals is intrinsically justified. The killing of humans is not.

I have no idea how you got that out of what I said. I said that a mosquitoe is atleast givin a chance to live, even if it doesnt live for long. A fetus is never even given a chance at all to live outside the womb if it is aborted. And no I dont mean give birth to it then kill it. I pretty much think that killing another human being is wrong all together.

So are you advocating having the child and then killing it because "at least then it had a chance to live"?