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Picture of YouthVoice
Registered: January 16, 2003
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Do any of you know how bad overpopulation is?


Birth control?


"In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell
Picture of Shade
Registered: December 27, 2006
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If you are serious, which I hope you are not, that would mean that you like the death of babies, and pain and suffering for the mothers.

How come you never asked me that question? That's exactly where I stand, too.

Nephilim, write is right. I'm going to correct your spelling from now on. Don't take it personally; you're just pushing my OCD button.

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Do any of you know how bad overpopulation is? Kill as many people as you can when you have the opportunity and make the world a better place.

*nods* I'm with him. Emphatically.


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Picture of YouthVoice
Registered: January 16, 2003
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I know that you think that they should have the choice my question was do you think that it is a good choice or a necessary choice.


Neither. I just want for the choice to be there, whether it's a good or bad one. It's personal for every woman.


"In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell
Picture of Jenos
Registered: May 03, 2003
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If you are serious, which I hope you are not, that would mean that you like the death of babies, and pain and suffering for the mothers.


What is with all these people crying about babies dying? Babies dying is a good thing, people. Do any of you know how bad overpopulation is? Kill as many people as you can when you have the opportunity and make the world a better place.

As far as pain and suffering for the mothers... if they can't handle the psychological stress, who cares? If we're lucky maybe they will kill themselves and make things easier for everyone else.


I like these calm little moments before the storm.
Picture of LoveTheRainbow
Registered: October 28, 2005
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Neph, keep it up and...

MOD EDIT: Use your imagination.

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Picture of Nephilem
Registered: February 10, 2007
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I am not pro-choice, I am pro-abortion.

If you are serious, which I hope you are not, that would mean that you like the death of babies, and pain and suffering for the mothers.


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You know that we were talking in the specific case of rape. And like I said twice, I'll say it for the third time: I believe woman should have a CHOICE in case of rape.

I know that you think that they should have the choice my question was do you think that it is a good choice or a necessary choice.

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It is my opinion that killing is acceptable in certain (not all) cases, but I already know it's pointless to try and get you to understand that.


I realize that it is your opinion I was simple stating the fact that just because you have a belief does not make what you do write. Let’s say that I was a murderer. It could be my opinion that I did not murder the person, I my mind I relived the world of an evil, but I will still be charged with murder regardless.


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Facts don't matter when emotions are as involved as they are here.

Facts do matter when emotions are involved. There are many emotions at criminal trials, and facts still come into play there.


"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." Albert Einstein
Picture of YouthVoice
Registered: January 16, 2003
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That's what this argument is all about: opinions. Facts don't matter when emotions are as involved as they are here.


I tried getting that point across to him earlier and I failed. Frown


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Registered: November 05, 2004
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A low value of life does not mean that it is okay to kill people.


Did I say it was? It is my opinion that killing is acceptable in certain (not all) cases, but I already know it's pointless to try and get you to understand that.

That's what this argument is all about: opinions. Facts don't matter when emotions are as involved as they are here.


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So are you saying that abortions are the best solution to an unplanned pregnancy of any kind, or are you saying that it should be one of the options?


Don't put words in to my mouth. You know that we were talking in the specific case of rape. And like I said twice, I'll say it for the third time: I believe woman should have a CHOICE in case of rape. Get it? Got it? Good.


"In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell
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Registered: October 28, 2005
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Jenos=Wins


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Picture of Jenos
Registered: May 03, 2003
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I am not pro-choice, I am pro-abortion.

Come on, admit it. People suck.

And people are a lot easier to kill before they are born than afterwards.


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Registered: October 28, 2005
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Thankfully abortion rates are falling, because people are now beginning to see the truth about abortion, but the legalization has caused much pain and death and needs to be stopped officially.

Or maybe there is a decrease in abortion because of an increase in the effectiveness of birth control...


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Registered: February 10, 2007
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I will say this. Don't put words in my mouth, and if you want to talk about laws, start a topic about it. I'm talking about abortion here.

Well the point under my laws question is that without laws our society would collapse so it is necessary to have some level of government control over people’s lives.

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Human life is no more important to me than the lives of other animals.

A low value of life does not mean that it is okay to kill people.

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Clearly the legalization of abortion has not resulted in the collapse of society.


No but it is the government approval of something that should never have been allowed. Thankfully abortion rates are falling, because people are now beginning to see the truth about abortion, but the legalization has caused much pain and death and needs to be stopped officially.


Also to clarify I am not targeting the would be mothers, instead I am targeting the abortion industry. They are the ones that are the driving force behind abortion, and they do more than accept abortion, they encourage it. It is the encouraged path to take, as they counsel people to have abortions without properly warning them of the consequences.


"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." Albert Einstein
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Registered: March 12, 2007
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i dont know what to say on abortion...but theres alot that people dont know...babies should not be killed, whether alive, in the belly or not...its still a life, but what about those 10 and 11 year old girls we see on the new./..."RAPED AND NOW PREGNANT AT 12"...should they have a choice, or should they be forced to give birth? these are the types of things that scar both women and men...and what about sick women, who are HIV positive, should they be forced to give birth to a sick baby...what about women with low incomes living as single parents...taking care of everyone in their homes...because i as a dominican see it happen alot where i live...i dont like it, but circumstances lead these women to take make the "right decisions"...
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Registered: November 05, 2004
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Why? I would think that the answer to that question would be obvious.
Because if ends the life of a human being. People can not be allowed to kill each other otherwise society will collapse.


Humor me. The answer is not readily obvious to everyone because not everyone puts undue value on human life. Human life is no more important to me than the lives of other animals. Now, does this mean I'm going to go out and kill everyone I see? Of course not. I may not especially value human life, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't exist.

The same applies to abortion. Allowing it wouldn't mean everyone would go out and kill their babies. As you've said before, the abortion rate is falling. Clearly the legalization of abortion has not resulted in the collapse of society.

Interestingly enough, human society existed before there were laws governing who we could and could not kill.


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Registered: December 27, 2006
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I am simply not going to respond to you, because it's not worth my time, and this is the third attempt at a coherent post. I will say this. Don't put words in my mouth, and if you want to talk about laws, start a topic about it. I'm talking about abortion here.


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Registered: February 10, 2007
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Well, since we're on the subject of opinions. It is my personal opinion that abortion is wrong, murder, sinful, and people shouldn't do it or condone it in any case, rape and inscest included.


Thank you. Smile

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But it is also my belief that we shouldn't control other people's lives.


So do you think that we should have laws? After all by having laws we are controlling peoples lives.


"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." Albert Einstein
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Registered: December 27, 2006
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Well, since we're on the subject of opinions. It is my personal opinion that abortion is wrong, murder, sinful, and people shouldn't do it or condone it in any case, rape and inscest included. But it is also my belief that we shouldn't control other people's lives.


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Registered: February 10, 2007
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A bad thing? That's only your opinion.

Well if you would like to contend that abortion is beneficial and good then do so. As far as I can tell the argument that has been made is that while abortions are bad, the mother should have the choice.
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That's once again, only your opinion.

So are you saying that abortions are the best solution to an unplanned pregnancy of any kind, or are you saying that it should be one of the options?
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Because killing an innocent human being is wrong.


Why?

Why? I would think that the answer to that question would be obvious.
Because if ends the life of a human being. People can not be allowed to kill each other otherwise society will collapse.


"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." Albert Einstein
Picture of YouthVoice
Registered: January 16, 2003
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I'm sure Nephilem will be thrilled by your comment, Jenos. Razz


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