A fetus is not an unborn human child that you should not kill.

It is a potential meal.

Viva la cannibalism.

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Because killing an innocent human being is wrong.

Why?

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To do what? Follow up one bad thing with another? To follow rape with murder? The child is not the perpetrator of the crime the predator is he is the one that needs to be punished.

A bad thing? That's only your opinion.

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however the best way to deal with the problem is to stop the abortion from ever taking place.

That's once again, only your opinion.

Like I said, in case of rape woman should have a choice, and I'm standing by that.

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I think woman should have a choice in case of rape. And I'm standing by that.

To do what? Follow up one bad thing with another? To follow rape with murder? The child is not the perpetrator of the crime the predator is he is the one that needs to be punished.

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You know, people can also fall in to depression and all of those symptoms that you mentioned if forced to have the child. Sometimes people are also misled, misinformed and people take advantage of them and make them feel bad about having an abortion. As if they were the most horrible people in the world

The mentioned symptoms are more likely to be experienced if than abortion path is followed.

As for your second point victims of abortion need to be helped not hurt further and it is unfortunate if this is not always the case however the best way to deal with the problem is to stop the abortion from ever taking place.

You know, people can also fall in to depression and all of those symptoms that you mentioned if forced to have the child. Sometimes people are also misled, misinformed and people take advantage of them and make them feel bad about having an abortion. As if they were the most horrible people in the world. I think woman should have a choice in case of rape. And I'm standing by that.

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You make it sound like people are forced to get abortions.

Not forced but in some cases mislead, or misinformed. What happens in many cases is the person in question has gone threw some type of trauma, a rape, or an unplanned pregnancy and they are afraid and unsure what to do. Then the abortion industry draws these people in without informing them of what exactly they will be doing, or what the effects of the abortion can be.

You make it sound like people are forced to get abortions.

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But so can life, so can falling in love, ect.

Yes but the point is that bad things happen to cause those negative effects on a person, bad events in life, crushed relationships I love, and that abortion is one of those bad things that hurts people and that should be avoided.

Yes. But so can life, so can falling in love, ect.

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No one ever said it was simple and no one ever said its the best thing to do

So do you agree that abortions can cause negative affects that can include: mental anguish, anxiety, guilt, shame, depression and suicide?

No one ever said it was simple and no one ever said its the best thing to do. But if people are desperate enough they should have the choice.

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Also abortions have actually been shown to hurt the victims of rape further and cause them more distress and mental trauma. Abortions can simple burry the problems and leads to a higher level of depression, and higher chance of suicide.

Sources?

But it is true... I know someone who had an abortion, and it ruined her life. One person isn't the majority of women, but killing part of yourself is no simple matter.

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You have no real argument against the studies I provided all you have is a completely unfounded attack on the credibility of the studies that has no backing.

I am attacking EVERY study. Not just yours. Chill out.

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The thing I hate about studies is they are normally skewed and full of crap...

You have no real argument against the studies I provided all you have is a completely unfounded attack on the credibility of the studies that has no backing.

The thing I hate about studies is they are normally skewed and full of crap...

The thing I hate about Nephs arguments is this; I would rather kill myself then have to give birth to my rapists baby, and think of how that would haunt the child to know it was concieved by rape.

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it really makes me doubt that you care about the rape victim so much and all that you just said is merely an excuse to support your argument. I don't mean to offend you and I apologize if I did.

I do care about the rape victim let me make that very clear right now. It is my belief that abortion does not help the unborn baby or the mother. So I do care about the rape victims and want to see them helped and comforted.

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Sources?

This is from BBC news

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An abortion can cause five years of mental anguish, anxiety, guilt and even shame, a BMC Medicine study suggests.
University of Oslo researchers compared 40 women who had had a miscarriage with 80 who chose to have an abortion.
Miscarriage was associated with more mental distress in the six months after the loss of a baby - but abortion had a much longer lasting negative effect.

This is an American Psychological Society study

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Study shows women who abort at higher risk for mental health problems

Women who undergo abortions are at greater risk for mental health problems in subsequent years, according to a new study presented at the annual meeting of the American Psychological Society (APS) held in June, 2000 in Miami Beach, Florida.
The study looked at California women who received state funded medical care and who either had an abortion or gave birth in 1989. Researchers examined the women's medical records for up to six years afterwards and found that women who had undergone abortions had significantly higher mental health claims than women who had given birth. Women who had abortions were more than twice as likely to have two to nine treatments for mental health as women who carried to term.

M. Gissler, Abortion/Suicide Link,Br. Med. J., Dec. 6, 1996

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"The suicide rate after an abortion was three times the general suicide rate and six times that associated with birth.... the rate for women following a live birth was 5.9 per 100,000; following miscarriage 18.1; following abortion 34.7." They note that women frequently get short term "post-natal blues after having a baby, but that this rarely translates into suicide, and that the initial stress of having a child is transitional, the over-all effect having a positive effect on women’s health."

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These types of abortions allow a young girl to get an abortion without her parents being notified; meaning that they may never know that there girl was raped.

Multiple abortion clinics have violated the law and refused to alert authorities to the fact that they preformed an abortion for a rape victim meaning that the predator is still out on the streets. So abortions in this case hurt the fight against predators, and hinder the law enforcement.

Are you really worried about the rape victim here, or just the unborn baby? I don't mean to imply that you are a bad person, but since you have defended your side of antiabortion so passionately, it really makes me doubt that you care about the rape victim so much and all that you just said is merely an excuse to support your argument. I don't mean to offend you and I apologize if I did.

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Also abortions have actually been shown to hurt the victims of rape further and cause them more distress and mental trauma. Abortions can simple burry the problems and leads to a higher level of depression, and higher chance of suicide.

Sources?

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Is anyone here against abortion in the specific case of rape?

Yes I am and here’s why.

These types of abortions allow a young girl to get an abortion without her parents being notified; meaning that they may never know that there girl was raped.

Multiple abortion clinics have violated the law and refused to alert authorities to the fact that they preformed an abortion for a rape victim meaning that the predator is still out on the streets. So abortions in this case hurt the fight against predators, and hinder the law enforcement.

I defiantly don’t think that the girl in question should have any responsibility to look after the child, and the child should be taken care of by the proper groups, or agencies.

Also abortions have actually been shown to hurt the victims of rape further and cause them more distress and mental trauma. Abortions can simple burry the problems and leads to a higher level of depression, and higher chance of suicide.

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All right, I won't argue that those are facts. But why do they matter?

Because killing an innocent human being is wrong. And the argument that it is dependant on its mother for survival does not hold any ground. In most cases withholding life saving aide is a serious offence, basically letting someone die when you could have saved their life is wrong and punishable in most cases.

In the case of abortion the mother is willingly allowing a doctor to kill her child. A mother is not aloud to kill her child after it is born and it should be no different before it was born. Now when abortion was passed it was passed on a completely different premise it was passed on the notion that the child was not to the point of being a human yet.

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Rape? Incest? It is still murdering a soul that had nothing to do with it!--->ADOPTION, ADOPTION!!

I was rereading the main post and I find this statement cruel to the victims of rape or incest. It's easy for people to say "Oh, you can just give it up for adoption." When they haven't experienced something like that happened to them and then have to give birth to the product of it.

Is anyone here against abortion in the specific case of rape?

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They are alive
They are human

All right, I won't argue that those are facts. But why do they matter?