My point was that humans have moral standards, and have souls and animals don’t.
Shade what support you have for the idea that animals have souls.

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I would classify life as the ability to survive and adapt on your own.

Then a baby outside the womb is not alive?

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Edit: then what makes Life Life, LTR?

I would classify life as the ability to survive and adapt on your own.

Yes and yes, and I believe trees have a soul. And I believe angels are souls, and I believe fae are souls. And I can believe you can lose your soul. Shall I go on? What is this line of questioning have to do with anything, Nephilim?

Edit: then what makes Life Life, LTR?

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So we are on the same level as animals?

Yes. Life is life.

(Just so you don't get any idea's I don't count a fetus as living.)

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Aye, sir. But that is this humble wannabe-shaman's opinion.

I have two questions for you,

Do you believe that Humans have a soul?
And
Do you believe that animals have a soul?

Aye, sir. But that is this humble wannabe-shaman's opinion.

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I can't tell you how much I hate when people view humans as so much better than animals. I agree with Shade. It's very revolting.

So we are on the same level as animals?

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Because it is human, and you wont get an animal from that embryo.

I can't tell you how much I hate when people view humans as so much better than animals. I agree with Shade. It's very revolting.

Just another animal? You disgust me.

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I won't deny that it's human because it contains human chromosomes, but how is it any different than the zygotes or embryos of other animals?

Because it is human, and you wont get an animal from that embryo. I suppose from an evolutionary perspective man is now different then animals, but from my perspective humans are different then just another animal.

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Just eggs doesn’t equal a baby but when you combine the two and a child is conceived, then it is wrong to kill it.

So you're saying that the instant the sperm enters the egg and mitosis begins...it becomes wrong? That's a rather interesting definition of personhood. I wouldn't call a zygote (a single celled object) a person, but that's just me.

What is significant about the zygote that makes it wrong to kill? How is it "special?" How is a zygote (or an embryo for that matter) a person? I won't deny that it's human because it contains human chromosomes, but how is it any different than the zygotes or embryos of other animals?

This reminds me of that commercial with this person that is walking around saving a spider, and then a fish and things like that. And then he walks in to the house and blows his nose on a Kleenex and the announcer says "Kleenex kills 99.1 percent of germs, that's right: KILLS." And the guy just looks at the camera with a horrified face. Ah, yes. I love that commercial. :P

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If everything that has cells are living...then how are unborn babies not alive?

Do you believe killing an animal is murder? Or a plant? Fungus? By your argument, they have cells, are living, and to kill them would be murder, am I correct?

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doubt you have any problem with sperm and eggs going to waste, so when does it become a problem?

When it becomes a new person. Just sperm does not equal a baby. Just eggs doesn’t equal a baby but when you combine the two and a child is conceived, then it is wrong to kill it.

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If everything that has cells are living...then how are unborn babies not alive?

If everything that has cells is living, then how is it not wrong to use spermicide? If we're going to argue that it's wrong on the basis that it's alive, you should really be against any action that results in the death of cells.

Neph, you need to prove what's special about an embryo that prohibits killing it. I doubt you have any problem with sperm and eggs going to waste, so when does it become a problem?

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And I have been arguing the samething with you on multipule threads

So do you believe that there should be penalties for crimes?
Do you believe that certain types of behavior are wrong?

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You can't say there's a definite idea of right and wrong because not everyone believes in such a thing.

There are some people who don’t believe in moral absolutes, but that believe will lead to chaos, as you said. Because of this governments need to enact rules and laws, based off of moral standards to keep the society together.

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When does it become wrong to kill it?

I am mainly concerned with abortions once it reaches the developmental stage of a fetus. However I am also against killing the embryo, I’m just not as active on this level.

Abortion is just the legal term for murdering a fetus or embrio. Abortion shuld be illegal brcause you are taking away a life that could have had a great adventure in life. ABORTION IS MURTDER AND THE ENEMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just wanna say one thing. If everything that has cells are living...then how are unborn babies not alive?

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Well if that were true how could we punish anyone for anything, because no matter what they did it was right to them.

And there is the problem of moral relativity. You can't say there's a definite idea of right and wrong because not everyone believes in such a thing. But you can't enforce order if everything is relative.

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From the point when there is something to kill.

There is always something to kill from the sperm and egg to the zygote, embryo, and finally the fetus. When does it become wrong to kill it?