But then you are going to have the problem of everyone saying they were raped, just so they can get the abortion. How do you tell if they were lying or not?

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Please be specific.

Your point was

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Well if that were true how could we punish anyone for anything, because no matter what they did it was right to them.

And I have been arguing the samething with you on multipule threads

I believe abortion should be limited. Rape victims only. Other than rape victims, i stand stong with my arguement against abortion. It is murder and i would like scientific facts if u say otherwise. I know a rape victim who committed suicide because she was forced to get an abortion... not fun stuff.

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believe I did respond to your point.
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Look, you are catching on

Please be specific.

Do you believe in Absolutes, or moral standards?

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I understand that but if it was, should the mother still have the choice?

Yes. I believe I have said that.

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Now read that part of the post again and actually look at the point, instead of evaluating my grammar skills.

Oh wow. The irony. You are accusing me of not reading? I believe I did respond to your point.

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Look, you are catching on

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Until what part of the pregnancy do you consider it an abortion?

From the point when there is something to kill. Basically as soon as you could have an abortion it is too late in my view, because it is always wrong to kill the baby.

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And also, are you against using the morning after pill?

I think that there are many problems with the morning after pill, including that it is far to proliferated. I don’t think that birth control drugs should be so widely accessible, or used.

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I don't think abortion is wrong.

I understand that but if it was, should the mother still have the choice?

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Look, you are catching on. Now we just need to work on question marks.

Now read that part of the post again and actually look at the point, instead of evaluating my grammar skills.

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Okay LTR by your reasoning it is okay for the mother and doctor do something that is wrong, because they should have the choice to do so.

I don't think abortion is wrong.

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Some people just die from natural causes.

The funny thing about natural causes is that most of them could have been avioded. Like heart attacks could for the most part be avoided by taking better care of yourself. So in conclusion, we kill ourselves more than you would think.

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Well if that were true how could we punish anyone for anything, because no matter what they did it was right to them.

Look, you are catching on. Now we just need to work on question marks.

Nephilem, I'm curious about something. Until what part of the pregnancy do you consider it an abortion? A week? A month? And also, are you against using the morning after pill?

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So if it is wrong, you believe it is the mothers right to have the baby killed? And you believe it is the right of the Doctor to follow the mothers request and kill the baby?

Yes

Okay LTR by your reasoning it is okay for the mother and doctor do something that is wrong, because they should have the choice to do so.
So should people be able to murder in other circumstances? Wrong behavior should result in a punitive action, to discourage that wrong behavior from being repeated.

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But you say that we will all be Killed, who is going to kill us.

I don't know. Serial killers? Drunk drivers? Ourselves?

Some people just die from natural causes.

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It is not wrong. It's your opinion that it is wrong. Nothing in itself is inherently right or wrong, we decide that. It's all relative.

Well if that were true how could we punish anyone for anything, because no matter what they did it was right to them.

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There is nothing inherently bad about parasites.

Parasites do tend to be harmful to their host don’t you agree? Most people don’t want to have a parasite in, or on them.

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Nephilem I don't think you get that women don't like to have abortions, they do it because they feel they have no other choice.

I know that women don’t like to get abortions, but not all abortions are medically necessary. For example a girl is messing around with her boy friend and gets pregnant. She doesn’t want people to know so she gets an abortion. In that case it would not be medically necessary. The mother would not want a baby, may not fell ready for a baby, but she does not need the baby to die.

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Originally posted by Nephilem:
So if it is wrong

It is not wrong. It's your opinion that it is wrong. Nothing in itself is inherently right or wrong, we decide that. It's all relative.

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And you believe it is the right of the Doctor to follow the mothers request and kill the baby?

Yeah if that's her/his job. It is the mothers choice. I was recently reading a book that talked about this issue. Well it mentioned it. The woman, the writer, had had 3 abortions, and the way she described them it doesn't sound pleasant. Nephilem I don't think you get that women don't like to have abortions, they do it because they feel they have no other choice. So please, try to I don't know...put yourselves in the others shoes for once. I know it's not easy.

sorry lik i said, my comp is reaaaalllly sh!ty. any ways... if the kid is going to be fed up for the rest of there life, why keep it alive to suffer? to me that is worse than abortion.

Again, Neph, you're mixing up definitions. If we're talking about biological parasites, of course your first two questions don't apply. But if we're talking about the metaphorical definition (people who behave similar to parasites), then it doesn't matter.

So, as LTR said, we're comparing them, not saying they're one and the same. Fetuses exhibit characteristics similar to parasites, namely that they take nutrients from the mother's body, give nothing back, and will die if severed from that source of nutrients. Of course, that last one only applies in the first trimester and part of the second.

Secondly, who said anything about parasites needing to be killed? There is nothing inherently bad about parasites. I was merely drawing a comparison, that fetuses are similar in some ways to parasites. I don't even remember what my original point was.

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So if it is wrong, you believe it is the mothers right to have the baby killed? And you believe it is the right of the Doctor to follow the mothers request and kill the baby?

Yes

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But you say that we will all be Killed, who is going to kill us.

I don't know. Serial killers? Drunk drivers? Ourselves?

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No. I am comparing the two. Saying they have similar characteristics.

Okay, thank you for clarifying.

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We will be. Just be patient.

I know that we are all gong to die. But you say that we will all be Killed, who is going to kill us.

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Well I am not overly concerned with this. Why? Because I am not arguing wether it's right or wrong. I am arguing that the mother should have the choice.

So if it is wrong, you believe it is the mothers right to have the baby killed? And you believe it is the right of the Doctor to follow the mothers request and kill the baby?

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You are saying that a human child is a parasite, even though there are major differences between a parasitical organism, and a human child.

No. I am comparing the two. Saying they have similar characteristics.

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Secondly if all people are parasites, then should we all be killed?

We will be. Just be patient.

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If you say that everyone is a parasite, then either it is not always right to kill a parasite, or we should all die.

Well I am not overly concerned with this. Why? Because I am not arguing wether it's right or wrong. I am arguing that the mother should have the choice.

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No
No
Yes

Does this change anything? No.

Actually it does change something. You are saying that a human child is a parasite, even though there are major differences between a parasitical organism, and a human child.
Secondly if all people are parasites, then should we all be killed? If you say that everyone is a parasite, then either it is not always right to kill a parasite, or we should all die.

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Now tell me does the Host usually conceive the parasite?
Does the host usually have a prepared system specifically to sustain the life of the parasite?

And lastly do you consider all people to be parasites?

No
No
Yes

Does this change anything? No.

To clarify, the word can be used in either context. I meant it in that a fetus behaves like a biological parasite, which means it is a parasite from a broad definition of the word.

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opinion that a fetus is a parasite in the sense that it takes nutrients from the mother's body without giving anything back. That's my definition of a parasite

And that would be a person who acts like a parasite, not a parasitical organism.
When the word parasite is used different meanings can be used. So when you say that a baby is a parasite do you mean biologically speaking, as in the baby is a parasitical organism or that in your opinion it behaves like a parasite.

No, I would not agree to that. It is my opinion that a fetus is a parasite in the sense that it takes nutrients from the mother's body without giving anything back. That's my definition of a parasite, which is admittedly broad and actually fits more with the original meaning of the word.

But I won't argue definitions any more.

LMAO