You are a man, as am I. I don't think our opinion on a matter that doesn't affect us should be valid.
Still, I'm gonna chuck mine out regardless.
If both the mother and the child have a very low chance of survival, then I think it should be perhaps an option. I don't think abortion should be the back-up in case the condom breaks, but in certain cases, it's may not be so wrong.

Also, the adoption system in this country's a nightmare.
I don't particularly like the idea of abrotion, but I think in some cases it is the lesser fo two evils.

See global health, can it be said that it is a good thing that people die everyday

i hate abortion its so stupid the baby is ALIVE IT CAN FEEL!

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However they would be putting people out of their misery and preventing them from having a bad life, which is the same justification that you provided for aborting babies.

But who decides if this is wrong?

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but if someone slips up and gets pregnant they have a right to abort a child that has no feelings yet. or should they be torchered after they've developed a fully thinking brain and a stable nerve system.

The point is that these babies are innocent people and they have a right to live. We don’t know what will happen in their life, and we don’t have the right to kill them simply because they are inconvenient, and they might have a bad life. If someone went into a slum and killed a bunch of people there would be an outrage. However they would be putting people out of their misery and preventing them from having a bad life, which is the same justification that you provided for aborting babies.

yes but that still doesn't change the fact that babies happen by accident sometimes. we're working on taking care of drinking drugs and sex but if someone slips up and gets pregnant they have a right to abort a child that has no feelings yet. or should they be torchered after they've developed a fully thinking brain and a stable nerve system. my mom got pregnant with me when she was on birth control. babies happen.

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so u still think abortion is bad. this unwanted, unloved, abused child shouldn't have just been aborted instead of being beaten to death by her dad, wat good came out of letting her live, wat mercy.

She shouldn’t have been aborted and she shouldn’t have beaten to death by her dad. Either way she dies, it is just two different way of her dying. So if beating her to death is wrong, killing her as an unborn baby is wrong. The solution to abuse is not just killing the babies. Instead we need to solve for the things that cause abuse like drunkenness, drugs, and an over saturation of sex in society. If these things are reduced child abuse will drop.

My name is Sarah
>> > I am but three,
>> > My eyes are swollen
>> > I cannot see,
>> > I must be stupid
>> > I must be bad,
>> > What else could have made
>> > My daddy so mad?
>> > I wish I were better
>> > I wish I weren't ugly,
>> > Then maybe my mommy
>> > Would still want to hug me.
>> >
>> >
>> > I can't speak at all
>> > I can't do a wrong
>> > Or else I'm locked up
>> > All the day long.
>> >
>> >
>> > When I awake I'm all alone
>> > The house is dark
>> > My folks aren't home.
>> > When my mommy does come
>> > I'll try and be nice,
>> > So maybe I'll get just
>> > One whipping tonight.
>> >
>> >
>> > Don't make a sound!
>> > I just heard a car
>> > My daddy is back
>> > From Charlie's Bar.
>> >
>> >
>> > I hear him curse
>> > My name he calls
>> > I press myself
>> > Against the wall.
>> >
>> >
>> > I try and hide
>> > From his evil eyes
>> > I'm so afraid now
>> > I'm starting to cry.
>> >
>> >
>> > He finds me weeping
>> > He shouts ugly words,
>> > He says its my fault
>> > That he suffers at work.
>> >
>> >
>> > He slaps me and hits me
>> > And yells at me more,
>> > I finally get free
>> > And I run for the door.
>> >
>> >
>> > He's already locked it
>> > And I start to bawl,
>> > He takes me and throws me
>> > Against the hard wall.
>> >
>> >
>> > I fall to the floor
>> > With my bones nearly broken,
>> > And my daddy continues
>> > With more bad words spoken...
>> >
>> >
>> > "I'm sorry!", I scream
>> > But its now much too late
>> > His face has been twisted
>> > Into unimaginable hate.
>> >
>> >
>> > The hurt and the pain
>> > Again and again
>> > Oh please God, have mercy!
>> > Oh please let it end!
>> >
>> >
>> > And he finally stops
>> > And heads for the door,
>> > While I lay there motionless
>> > Sprawled on the floor.
>> >
>> >
>> > My name is Sarah
>> > And I am but three,
>> > Tonight my daddy
>> > Murdered me.

so u still think abortion is bad. this unwanted, unloved, abused child shouldn't have just been aborted instead of being beaten to death by her dad, wat good came out of letting her live, wat mercy.


or lets talk about adoption they go into foster care then get raped, then have 5 different homes in 3 years never e=being able to attach to ppl then this poem happens but it's not "my dad" but "my foster dad" lets get the kids that are already born adopted b4 we talk about having more kids hoping for parents

I’m back had a great summer.

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Have a great summer.

Have fun and take care, Neph.

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Have a great summer.

You too.

High everybody. I am leaving tomorrow for seven weeks. During that time I will not be able to get on youth noise so I won’t be able to respond to anything for seven weeks.
Have a great summer.

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is it more cruel to let a baby go through a world of hate and cruelty or just send it on to heaven.

The baby deserves the chance to live their life. By the reasoning that you just stated all murder should be legal, because murderers are just saving them from troubles on earth.

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I'm going to try to stop with this debate...

Maya. Are you willing to look at this situation with the focus on the baby? Before you finish with this topic, try to see the issue with the perspective on the baby.

lol you bored too? I wrote something in the Gun Control section if you want to check it out, more like questions actually.

If your up for a change of pace maya I'm always ready for a few rounds on Gun Control

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gone around countless times already, and it's getting boring.

That's exactly how I feel. There's really no new argument and neither side has changed their minds no matter what.

I'm going to try to stop with this debate...see how long I can last without posting on here. It's just this has fucking gone around countless times already, and it's getting boring.

is it more cruel to let a baby go through a world of hate and cruelty or just send it on to heaven.

on the objective side of things......

hey..................population control........

might be cruel but still

and no i personally could not abort.

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Understand that not everyone looks at this through the same lense that you do.

I realize that you don’t look at the issue the same way I do. What I was asking you to do was to look at the situation with the focus on the baby. An abortion kills an innocent baby that has done nothing wrong, and is not responsible for the mother’s problems. The baby is just the product of the mother, and a mans actions. So the baby is not the one that should be blamed. And yet these innocent babies that are not able to defend them selves or act in their own defense are being killed. The mothers need help, but the solution is not destroying the life of another.

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why is it justified?

Okay there were many reasons for military action against Iraq. Here they are
1. Iraq was a safe haven for terrorists, and a place that they could use as a base of operation.
2. The Iraqi government was giving weapons and money to terrorists.
3. Iraq was linked to terrorist organizations that attacked us on September 11.
4. Iraq was continuing to refuse UN inspectors from inspecting key sites, which lead to questions about there WMD development.
5. Iraq was continuing to oppress and murder their people.
6. Iraq was destabilizing the region.
These reasons were all compiled, and provided a case against Iraq. Then matters were made worse by Iraqis refusal to heed the warnings of the international community.

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was that Iraq was considered a threat to the US (because of WMDs), turns out these were nowhere to be found

As for the WMDs, we knew that they had used WMDs in the past, and that they could have them. That knowledge combined with the fact that they were refusing the requests of the UN inspects, gave us reason to believe that they had WMDs. Whether or not they actually had WMDs is debatable, but the main point is at the time there was every appearance that they had WMDs.

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Originally posted by Nephilem:
the issue is what they are doing to their babies.

No my friend, that's the issue TO YOU. To me, the issue is about how sick it would be to force a woman to have a baby. To me, it's about her right to have control over her own body. Understand that not everyone looks at this through the same lense that you do.

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Okay as I said I believe that the war was justified

why is it justified? Originally, the basic reason for going in (if I'm not mistaken, I've heard so many fucking bullshit reasons/lies already that I can't even get it straight) was that Iraq was considered a threat to the US (because of WMDs), turns out these were nowhere to be found, so why the hell is it justified if they never really posed a threat to us(as we've been told so many fucking times)? Yeah sure, now they use the whole argument about how Saddam was an evil dictator etc, etc, etc but at the beginning that was not the argument, it seems like they just changed it around to suit them and justify their fucking war. Of course no one is going to say they like Saddam, but is Iraq really better off right now? With a fucking Civil War going on?