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I think they tried to establish with you earlier that it was not the same.

Why is it not the same? In some cases the difference in time would only be a few weeks.

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You are fine with killing Babies? Okay, so you would be fine with going into a hospital and killing new born babies, if the mother gave you her permission?

I think they tried to establish with you earlier that it was not the same. Just like you said that the death penalty did not equal the same thing as an abortion.

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Most of us are, I think.

You are fine with killing Babies? Okay, so you would be fine with going into a hospital and killing new born babies, if the mother gave you her permission?

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Your fine with saying “Yes I support a Baby killing procedure.”?

Most of us are, I think.

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This isn't about just "getting along" this is about women's rights.

I was under the impression it was a privelage.

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Sorry I posted before I saw Mayas question, here is the dictionaries definition of wrong.

She was asking for your personal definition. You have a mind of your own, right?

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But I was looking at the one for fetus.

And what does it say?

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mother doesn't want to have a baby makes the killing a just cause.

Since when is that a Just cause? Lets say that the mother decides that she does not want to have the baby anymore after it is born. Can she kill it then?

ok so as you yourself will see from your own dictionary definition the word "wrong" is very relative. It doesn't have a set definition, but can change from person to person. for example:
-Action inflicting harm without just cause- well you would argue that abortion is harmful to the fetus, while I would argue that the fact that the mother doesn't want to have a baby makes the killing a just cause.
-something immoral or unethical- same thing again, this is not a set thing, there are different views on what is immoral and what isn't.

As you can see, abortion is not wrong. It is your perception only that it is wrong. The world is not black and white, there is grey you know...

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Which definition are you referring to?

All. But I was looking at the one for fetus.

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Nephilem, define wrong for me will you.

Sorry I posted before I saw Mayas question, here is the dictionaries definition of wrong.

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Main Entry: 1wrong
Pronunciation: 'ro[ng]
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English wrang, from *wrang, adjective, wrong
1 a : an injurious, unfair, or unjust act : action or conduct inflicting harm without due provocation or just cause b : a violation or invasion of the legal rights of another; especially : TORT
2 : something wrong, immoral, or unethical; especially : principles, practices, or conduct contrary to justice, goodness, equity, or law
3 : the state, position, or fact of being or doing wrong: as a : the state of being mistaken or incorrect b : the state of being guilty

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Oh wow. Would you look at that? Different dictionaries have different definitions. Oh snap! Which one am I to believe?

Which definition are you referring to?

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Oh wow. Would you look at that? Different dictionaries have different definitions. Oh snap! Which one am I to believe?

God fucking damn it. This is seriously pissing me off. Ok so if you want to we'll call the fetus baby. It still doesn't change ANYTHING. And your comparison is ridiculous. You can't compare the two things.

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People got along with out having abortion before.

This isn't about just "getting along" this is about women's rights.

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And most of the abortions today are not necessary.

how the FUCK would you know that? You can't possibly know if someone needs the abortion or not, that is something only she can know. From what I've been told, abortion is a very painful experience that NO ONE likes to go through, and they would not go through said experience unless it was necessary.

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Because people are realizing how detrimental the practice is.

that's bullshit. Maybe there's better birth control now? Or better consciousness about these issues? I don't know it could be milions of things completely unrelated to your theory.

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That is why they always refer to the baby as a Fetus. And that is why they say “Terminate the pregnancy” instead of “kill it.”

Well they're not lying when they say either of those things. It is called a fetus. And it is terminating a pregnancy. But if it's really these terms that bother you I have no problem in saying "killing the fetus"

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How many times do I have to tell you. FUCK THE DEFINITIONS. They mean nothing.

If I said that earth was flat would I be right. No I would be wrong.
If you say that a fetus is not a baby would you be right. No you would be wrong.
As I have already said, a Fetus is what a Fetus is, despite what you want it to be.

Nephilem, define wrong for me will you.

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Do you have a different definition of a Fetus that says that a fetus is not a baby, or says that a Fetus is part of the mother?

How many times do I have to tell you. FUCK THE DEFINITIONS. They mean nothing.

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“Yes I support a Baby killing procedure.”?

Yes I support the mothers choice to have a baby killing procedure.

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Yes I read that. It was a biased piece of crap. If anything this so called 'baby' is a parasite.

Do you have a different definition of a Fetus that says that a fetus is not a baby, or says that a Fetus is part of the mother?

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Maybe I'll get more shock value out of calling it a baby-killing procedure as opposed to abortion. I think I'll do that, thanks Nephilem! I totally blew your point out of the water with my apathy.

Actually you just proved my point. Your fine with saying “Yes I support a Baby killing procedure.”?

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The object is to eliminate abortion altogether, yes?

My goal is to reduce the amount of abortions, and to make the killing of babies illegal. Sure we may never be able to end the practice completely, but then again it is impossible to ever completely stop a type of wrong behavior.

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Basically according to you all killing is Murder. Do you believe that Murder is ever correct, or necessary?

Necessary, yes, but it never justifies it. Using a word like that is trying to make it right in your mind.

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Like we have stated a thousand times. WE DON'T FRICKEN LIKE ABORTIONS! What we are protecting is the mother's right to do with her own body what she wants. Whether or not it is a baby would not change my opinion.

Ditto.

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It is not part of her body, it is a baby.

You've gone over it. However, what you say isn't reaching them and what they're saying isn't reaching you. Try different tactics, perhaps?

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Now that abortion is legal, there are respectable and sanitary abortion clinics that people won't be afraid of going to. Outlaw abortion and the abortion rate will go down, that much is true. However, people will still get abortions, and those abortions will be performed in unsafe manners which will not only result in the death of the fetus but possibly in the death of the mother as well.

Exactly! I actually thought about posting about that but I hadn't. You bring up a very good point Clpo. Making it illegal is not going to stop women from going through with an abortion even if it's against the law.

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As I said before you can think that a fetus is not a baby all you want, but that will not change the facts. The fact is abortion kills babies. Why do you not want to see a Fetus as a baby? Because it is much easier to excuse abortion before you call it for what it really is.

All right, let's say I do see abortion as killing babies. Now what? How does that make me despise them any more? I see abortions the same either way.

Maybe I'll get more shock value out of calling it a baby-killing procedure as opposed to abortion. I think I'll do that, thanks Nephilem! I totally blew your point out of the water with my apathy.

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The abortion rate increased after abortions were made legal. People got along with out having abortion before.

You state that increase as if it means something. If pot was legalized this very instant, the rate of people who smoke it would increase. Why? Because if something is legal, you don't get in trouble for doing it. Few people got abortions when it was illegal because they were afraid of being caught, or because few legitimate doctors practiced it.

Now that abortion is legal, there are respectable and sanitary abortion clinics that people won't be afraid of going to. Outlaw abortion and the abortion rate will go down, that much is true. However, people will still get abortions, and those abortions will be performed in unsafe manners which will not only result in the death of the fetus but possibly in the death of the mother as well.

The object is to eliminate abortion altogether, yes? Outlawing it will do no such thing. In fact, I wager that it will only result in more pregnant mother deaths due to unsafe abortion operations in back alleys. Would you really trade dead babies for dead mothers and dead babies?

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We have already gone over this so I am not going to post it again

Yes I read that. It was a biased piece of crap. If anything this so called 'baby' is a parasite.

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Are abortions wrong?

NO!

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Because people are realizing how detrimental the practice is.

People don't rationalize. People are idiots.

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What we are protecting is the mother's right to do with her own body what she wants.

It is not part of her body. We have already gone over this so I am not going to post it again. It is not part of her body, it is a baby.

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Of course you can, but you are a major hypocrite for that.

In your opinion.

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As everyone already tried explaining to you no one likes abortion

Are abortions wrong?

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So no one likes it, it just is necessary sometimes.

The abortion rate increased after abortions were made legal. People got along with out having abortion before. And most of the abortions today are not necessary. You keep making it sound like these are all necessary abortions, but they are not. Most of the abortions could have been avoided. That is why the abortion rate is falling again. Because people are realizing how detrimental the practice is.

And lastly people do try to make abortion sound better. That is why they always refer to the baby as a Fetus. And that is why they say “Terminate the pregnancy” instead of “kill it.”