But as you yourself put, Abortion and the Death penalty are two compoleatly different things. So I can be against abortion and still support the death penalty.
Of course you can, but you are a major hypocrite for that.
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Why do you not want to see a Fetus as a baby? Because it is much easier to excuse abortion before you call it for what it really is.
It's not that I don't want to see the fetus as a baby, it's that I DON'T see it as a baby. And this is dumb, we're arguing over calling it one name or another. As everyone already tried explaining to you no one likes abortion, an people don't want to make abortion look "pretty". Have you had an abortion? No. You're a guy. Shit I keep forgetting that. But anyway, the point is that I know people who've had abortions and it really sucked. So no one likes it, it just is necessary sometimes. and thanks for just ignoring most of my post and arguments and just coming back with the same answer again, that proves that either you don't know how to read, or you don't know what to say.
Democracy is the recurrent suspicion that more than half of the people are right more than half of the time. - E.B.White
Because it is much easier to excuse abortion before you call it for what it really is.
Like we have stated a thousand times. WE DON'T FRICKEN LIKE ABORTIONS! What we are protecting is the mother's right to do with her own body what she wants. Whether or not it is a baby would not change my opinion.
Yes, wars are murder. Give it a pretty name, lad, and it remains murder. I know someone who used to be in the armed forces, yes. And I've heard of self defense. That is no excuse for ending a life.
Basically according to you all killing is Murder. Do you believe that Murder is ever correct, or necessary? Maya, okay you don’t like the Death penalty. But as you yourself put, Abortion and the Death penalty are two compoleatly different things. So I can be against abortion and still support the death penalty.
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Lastly, I understand that you think the fetus is a baby, and don't start throwing dictionary definitions at me now but I don't see it as the same thing, that's why we will never agree.
As I said before you can think that a fetus is not a baby all you want, but that will not change the facts. The fact is abortion kills babies. Why do you not want to see a Fetus as a baby? Because it is much easier to excuse abortion before you call it for what it really is.
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." Albert Einstein
Nephilem: You did not understand my post AT ALL. And apparently you don't know how to read. I'm going to try to make this as simple as possible so you can understand it. 1-there are death penalty cases where innocents have been killed, or where it's been discovered that they were innocent so they were saved, if that hadn't been the case an innocent person would have been executed(which I guess you would equate to a fetus, so you're a hypocrite my friend) 2-you don't accomplish anything with the death penalty that you couldn't accomplish with a life sentence, actually a life sentence is cheaper. With abortion you do accomplish something, which is terminating the unwanted pregnancy. 3-the only argument for the death penalty that could actually hold up is vengeance. I'm not going to get into that now. If you want re-read what I already said 500 times.
Basically I see abortion and death penalty as two completely different things, which they are. The death penalty I believe is wrong for all the reasons I just explained, an abortion I think is not right, but a necessary option to have sometimes, and a personal choice as the fetus is belongs to the mother. (which we've already gone over as well). So in other words, I don't like abortion, I don't think it should be used as birth control, but I think it is necessary sometimes. The death penalty is not ever necessary. Lastly, I understand that you think the fetus is a baby, and don't start throwing dictionary definitions at me now but I don't see it as the same thing, that's why we will never agree.
Now that I've finished repeating myself so many fucking times to try to get something in your head you have to defend your hypocritical view. Why is it that you think killing a fetus is murder but not killing a person(even if they are a criminal they are still a person, don't you dare try to deny that).
Democracy is the recurrent suspicion that more than half of the people are right more than half of the time. - E.B.White
So all wars are just murder? Do you know anyone in the Military? Ever heard of self Defense?
Yes, wars are murder. Give it a pretty name, lad, and it remains murder. I know someone who used to be in the armed forces, yes. And I've heard of self defense. That is no excuse for ending a life.
It. Is. All. Murder.
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I'm losing patience with you...do you not know how to read? I've responded to you twice, I'm not posting it again. Go a few posts down and there's my response.
Explain to me if I am wrong but you said that you were against the death penalty. You explained why you though it was wrong, and it was basically that it is wrong to execute criminals. My point was according to you we can kill a fetus, but not a convicted criminal.
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No, all killing is murder.
So all wars are just murder? Do you know anyone in the Military? Ever heard of self Defense?
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." Albert Einstein
Now this entire death penalty issue raises an interest question. Why are you against the death penalty, but don’t have a problem for abortion? Basically you are saying that is wrong to kill a violent criminal, but fine to kill an innocent baby. Something seems wrong with this position.
I'm losing patience with you...do you not know how to read? I've responded to you twice, I'm not posting it again. Go a few posts down and there's my response. And I think you are a hypocrite.
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Democracy is the recurrent suspicion that more than half of the people are right more than half of the time. - E.B.White
Because we don't believe that it is a baby yet. It's more like a parasite.
What you believe it is irrelevant. What matters is what it is, and the definitions of a Fetus say that it is a baby, the medical community says it is a baby, the scientific community says it is a baby. IT IS A BABY!!!
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." Albert Einstein
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