Nephilim:

quote:

Should we kill all babies because there is a possibility they will have a bad life?

Should we let them live because there is a possibility they will have a good life?

quote:

So should we at least ban partial birth abortions?

Yes, that's a smart idea. We want to be cruel, but not inhumane.

quote:

Where did that come from? Okay start killing all the world babies one of them might be the antichrist.

You blow things way out of proportion, and put words into my mouth. It's wearying speaking with you. My point is. What if he was the Antichrist? And if we had aborted him, we would have saved the world, right? There's just as much chance this baby might be the next Hitler or the antichrist as much as there's a chance it could have a cure for aids.

quote:

So we should make murder legal, because after all, people still do it anyway. Actually making something illegal and having a punishment for doing it decreases the number of people who do it.

I don't think that's what they meant. You should try to read what people say first, instead of taking it at face value.

quote:

Everyone should have a chance at a good life.

Exactly and how do you know that they won’t live a good life? Should we kill all babies because there is a possibility they will have a bad life?

quote:

Nephilem, what about that was confusing to you? I don't know how else to explain it. Since it is inside my body I can kill it/have control over it(up to a certain number of months). There.

First of all there is no (up to a certain number of months) in the current system, and secondly the fact that the baby is inside your body does not give you the right to kill it.

quote:

quote:
Ever hear about partial birth abortions.

It is not the most common' type of abortion.

So should we at least ban partial birth abortions?

quote:

What if he was the Antichrist?

Where did that come from? Okay start killing all the world babies one of them might be the antichrist.

quote:

personally morally object to abortion, but would I make it illegal if i had the power to... why? Murder is illegal, yet it occurs.

So we should make murder legal, because after all, people still do it anyway. Actually making something illegal and having a punishment for doing it decreases the number of people who do it.

You make a good point Eagle.

quote:

What if a naked clown comes bursting into where you work waving a dildo at you....

Oh, and the answer for this is simple. I would panic and run for my life.

WHAT IF... WHAT IF... WHAT IF...!

What if a naked clown comes bursting into where you work waving a dildo at you....

All the "What ifs...", how can you argue that?

If you don't believe in abortion... DON'T HAVE ONE! People make all kinds of mistakes. For some abortion is the answer and for some abortion was the mistake... It will be this way forever, whether abortion is legal or not. There is no point in arguing it.

Why is it anti-abortionist are constantly on a self-righteous crusade? I understand trying to speak for those who cannot speak for themselves, and I commend you for that. I personally morally object to abortion, but would I make it illegal if i had the power to... why? Murder is illegal, yet it occurs. There is not stopping humanity from unmasking itself. So why not to each his own?

Nephilim:

quote:

Okay so if I killed my neighbor for yelling at my mom, I should be able to go to the Judge, tell him that it was Justice, and walk away without punishment?

Ah, I love people who twist my words. You are comparing two completely different things. If your neighbour yelled at your mom, you would be able to do something of equal intent back. If he deserved it. But was he justified in his yelling? Did he have a reason? Or was it your mother's fault? In which case, you should just stay out of it and let her get what she has coming. There are too many questions friend.

quote:

Also don’t make it sound like abortion doctors are great friends of rap victims.

I didn't.

quote:

What is he actually lived a really good life?

What if he was the Antichrist?


Maya:

quote:

what is your point?

I think he's trying to make it seem more real to you?

quote:

quote:

it's that I believe women should have control over their bodies, not anyone else.

If that is the case then why are you giving them permission to kill their babies?

Nephilem, what about that was confusing to you? I don't know how else to explain it. Since it is inside my body I can kill it/have control over it(up to a certain number of months). There.

quote:

Ever hear about partial birth abortions.

It is not the most common' type of abortion.

quote:

if you don’t kill it, it will go into a person that you might bump into on the street.

what is your point?

quote:

BlackPen:
Because at least they have a life and are given a chance. Everyone should have a chance.

Everyone should have a chance at a good life. There's no sense bringing a child into a crappy life, as would happen if people were denied the choice to get an abortion. The conditions of a child's early life will influence the rest of their life, so it's worse to force them into horrible conditions than to just end their life before it really begins. Of course, I don't put quite the same value on life as other people do, so this argument may only make sense to me.

quote:

Nephilem:
Another action that you could also implement is tougher action against rapists. Also the adoption system could be made more efficient, at getting kids to parents.

Indeed these are good things to do. I'm all for reducing the need for abortion. I just can't abide by banning it altogether.

I clearly meant 'the' instead of 'they'.

quote:

And if you don’t kill it, it will go into a person that you might bump into on the street.

What they hell? How dare it bump into me! Kill! Kill!

quote:

I said, if you don't understand the difference between a fetus inside a womans body and a born person well then I'm through arguing with you.

The fetus inside the woman’s body is the child. And if you don’t kill it, it will go into a person that you might bump into on the street.

quote:

it's that I believe women should have control over their bodies, not anyone else.

If that is the case then why are you giving them permission to kill their babies?

Ever hear about partial birth abortions. The following description is a little graphic (In case you are not aware of the procedure the doctor delivers the baby except for the head, and then rams a pare of surgical scissors into the back of the babies head. He opens the scissors to enlarge the hole, inserts a tube which sucks the child brain out, and then removes the Body) this barbaric practice must clearly be stopped. I am aware that this is not the only type of abortion procedure but it is clearly the worst.

quote:

Originally posted by LoveTheRainbow:

quote:

What if I went into a homeless area and started to spray the people there with a hail of Bullets

Then clearly you should have been aborted.

hahahahahahhahaha

quote:

What if I went into a homeless area and started to spray the people there with a hail of Bullets

Then clearly you should have been aborted.

quote:

So your solution is to kill them to save them from the horrible conditions of the world. Well you don’t know the kids future so stop planning the worst case scenario for it. What is he actually lived a really good life?
What if I went into a homeless area and started to spray the people there with a hail of Bullets, After all I am decreasing the Homeless population, and freeing them from their sad conditions. Clearly this would be wrong, but this is essentially your argument.

No, you are interpreting my words uncorrectly... My basic reason for being pro-choice is not that I think abortion is a great thing, it's that I believe women should have control over their bodies, not anyone else. But you don't seem to give a shit about these women. And I also think that people should be more concerned with the already born children waiting to be adopted than with fucking fetus rights. Now twist my words as much as you like.

And the homeless comparison is just ridiculous, I'm not going to bother responding because it's just too stupid and like I said, if you don't understand the difference between a fetus inside a womans body and a born person well then I'm through arguing with you.

quote:

That's great. But if the person gets pregnant and you don't let them have an abortion(even though it's none of your fucking business) you actually ARE FORCING THEM.

What I meant is that we aren’t telling people that they have to have babies; I’m not even telling them that they have to raise the Baby. But if they get pregnant they can’t kill their kid, just because they don’t want one.

quote:

I think that's great, I honestly do. I still believe that with so many kids waiting to be adopted or just living in fucked up conditions in general it is WRONG to want to force people to bring more kids into this world to live in said conditions.

So your solution is to kill them to save them from the horrible conditions of the world. Well you don’t know the kids future so stop planning the worst case scenario for it. What is he actually lived a really good life?
What if I went into a homeless area and started to spray the people there with a hail of Bullets, After all I am decreasing the Homeless population, and freeing them from their sad conditions. Clearly this would be wrong, but this is essentially your argument.

*shit

quote:

First of all we are not forcing people to have a baby. If people don’t want to have babies then they can just stay away from sex.

That's great. But if the person gets pregnant and you don't let them have an abortion(even though it's none of your fucking business) you actually ARE FORCING THEM.

quote:

I have happened to support several different adoption missions, so don’t start preaching to me about helping orphans.
Secondly I have also gone down multiple times to help victims of Katrina so don’t start on commanding me to help homeless people.

I think that's great, I honestly do. I still believe that with so many kids waiting to be adopted or just living in fucked up conditions in general it is WRONG to want to force people to bring more kids into this world to live in said conditions.

Also...
Stop comparing a little kid or your best friend to a fetus. There is a MAJOR difference between a person that is already born and a fetus inside a woman's body.Figure it out.

quote:

Adoption is a flawed solution since there are already huge numbers of children waiting to be adopted. Why add to that number?

Well what are you going to do kill the Kid? You do have a point about the adoption, but I am only talking about abortion cases in which rape is involved. Another action that you could also implement is tougher action against rapists. Also the adoption system could be made more efficient, at getting kids to parents.

quote:

Why add to that number?

Because at least they have a life and are given a chance. Everyone should have a chance.

quote:

If a women is raped they can put their child up for adoption, the child has done nothing to them.

Adoption is a flawed solution since there are already huge numbers of children waiting to be adopted. Why add to that number?

quote:

Such questions are not easily answered. Granted, fetuses aren't armed criminals, but the logic is somewhat the same. It's not as easy as saying it's murder and therefore wrong.

Killing some one who would have otherwise have killed you is not murder, the killing of innocent unarmed infant is. There is no comparison.

As for what is murder, if I walked into a nursery and killed an infant, I don’t think there would be many people standing around debating if I had committed murder or not. While you can speculate on whether or not killing in self defense is wrong, the killing of an innocent unprotected baby is wrong.

quote:

Would killing that person in vengeance be wrong? No, it would be justice.

Okay so if I killed my neighbor for yelling at my mom, I should be able to go to the Judge, tell him that it was Justice, and walk away without punishment?

quote:

I'm sure someone else will want to say it, but I think you forgot about rape.

If a women is raped they can put their child up for adoption, the child has done nothing to them. Also don’t make it sound like abortion doctors are great friends of rap victims. There have been many documented occasions where the doctor did not report the rape of young girls who came for an abortion. The doctor is required by law to report the rape.