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Registered: July 17, 2003
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Have a friend named Quisha or something? It turns out that most managers or people in charge may not hire people of those names for jobs such as secretaries and other jobs that may consist of elegance and what not. I feel that managers should not go by names but the persons abilities to make good on that job.
Registered: July 14, 2003
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LoL I won't be writing such a long response as annie, but I will say that no matter what I don't think diversity is something we need as badly as having to degrade the privleges of each man that is equal under US citisenship.

As for the doctor thing, I didn't mean 90th percentile in college, I meant high school and no, not all of them are the best. I figured you guys would let me use some terms loosely.
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like when colleges set quotas (not that they do this officially anymore) to ensure that such and such number of minorities get in.
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Now my turn: Quotas are bad!
i jut wanted to clarify that i was stating that quotas are an example of affirmative action going too far.
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I apologize for my absence of posts in the last few days. It’s summer break: work, friends, babysitting…my weekend has been a jumble of these.

Let’s see. A lot has happened in my non-presence. Here are my responses to my fellow debaters:

Halos, you’re up first!

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Your race does not determine your capabilites or inabilities and it does not provide further proof to anybody that you're a better or worse person for this or that job.

I agree whole-heartedly. I’m simply under the impression that, on average, racial minorities, due to their under-representation in government, do not often share grand educational opportunities with their Anglo-Saxon countrymen.

I support AA in college applications because it gives lower-class racial minorities a chance to make something of themselves, get out of the ghettos, and develop strong self-worth. How these ‘minority students’ apply themselves once accepted into a university, how they utilize their education, and what they do afterward is entirely up to them. I like to keep good faith that they’ll put their valuable opportunities to exceptional use.

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so why is it different just because you're darker or lighter in skin?

Race makes a difference because, as kg has pointed out, our country has not yet been made into a melting pot. It remains a mixed salad. The number of professional workers that make up a percentage of the Anglo-Saxon population is much higher, in relation to the percentage of professional workers of a racial minority. In my eyes, this is unfair and should be corrected.

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I don't care if you're black, white, red, grey, or green, if you're my doctor (for example), I want the one who graduated with highest honours from the best specialist or medical schools.

Wow, you’re a tough one to please. Doctors who ended up 90th in their class at med. school will never admit, “Well, too bad. I didn’t excel in that field. For the good of my future patients I’ll simply become a janitor. Medicine just wasn’t for me!”

No sir! They received a diploma just like everyone else. They get their practice up and running straight away!

Who is to say that this 90th student in a class of doctors wasn’t a bad tester? Would it be possible that this doctor could put the best use to his/her education, keep up on his/her reading, and make accurate diagnosis?

Halos, I don’t intend to muss up your sweet dreams tonight, but most ER doctors and surgeons don’t have the credentials you demand. Not everyone can graduate first in his class, with honours. Experience makes them good at what they do. Not study habits or class rank.

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Dont you want the best for each position? This isn't saying that the best is always 'white'.

I haven’t checked on my doctor’s rank in med. school. I chose her because my aunt, head nurse at a local hospital, recommended her care. She teaches at a university near by and counsels victims of sexual and drug abuse. She caught an ovarian cyst that was making me nauseous during my periods and recommended and excellent surgeon to remove it. She’s honest. She’s blunt. She thinks. I don’t care if she graduated last in her class. I know she keeps on her toes and up on her reading. Her race makes absolutely no difference to me.

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As you brought up the doctor issue again, kg if we were to not 'diversify' our schools and bring in the people based soley upon grades, then work in certain 'middle-class' areas would be hard to find and we're not going to have stray doctors, now are we? No, so the doctors would get jobs in the inner-cities and eventually the reservations.

Why would failing to diversify higher education cause a shortage in job-availability?

If you’re saying that the students who received the highest grades would eventually spread out to inner-city and Native American practices, this may be true but it does not encourage diversity. I get the impression that you discourage a diverse community. You want the racial majority to rule our country.

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but we can still diversify by simply giving a better education to inner-city schools and schools that seem to be the majority African-American. I'm not saying African-Americans are dumb, but if you want to diversify your universities and colleges, wouldn't you go to the primary source? The primary source being elementary, middle and high schools.

It’s certainly important to improve conditions of poor inner-city schools, but the problems won’t mend themselves. A student of racial minority who came from a bad school but applied to college, got accepted, and excelled there is likely to make donations, later in life, to the school where he got his start. A college graduate who came from an exclusive private school or good public school is less likely to donate money to a school he never attended. Because the amount of money a public school receives from the government is based on standardized test scores, and because poor inner-city schools tend to receive poor standardized test results, schools like these rely on hefty donations from wealthy folks to improve conditions. Though some Federal Government programs lend money to inner-city schools, it’s generally not enough to make significant improvements in student performance.
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geminiangel’s Joseph Daggett is up next.

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Many people say that we should keep affirmative action to render fairness to the minorities because of the wrongs that was once put on to them.

Whoa! Slow down! I don’t agree with this statement. My opinion remains: Affirmative Action in college acceptance levels the playing field for racial minorities. It’s a system that encourages balanced percentages in the professional workforce. It’s not a system created to compensate for loss to a minority’s ancestors. That’s ridiculous! After the Civil Rights Acts of ’64, ’65, and ’68 were passed, our country took on a duty to make the United States a fair place for anyone dwelling within its boundaries. When inner-city high schools with a majority of ‘racial minority’ students don’t provide good conditions for learning, and when exceptions aren’t made (for a short period in time) to allow racial minorities (who may have received lower test scores in high school) into our colleges, no change will come of the education, success, financial gain, or social gain of the racial minority.

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The solution by supporters of affirmative action is to lower the school’s standards so that they can accept a more diverse group of students.

geminiangel, please review a previous statement of mine:

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The responsibility, in my eyes, lies in the hand of the admissions office.

An admissions system must be properly devised so that all candidates for admission compete against each other and race is only one of many factors determining the acceptance of a student.

A university receives many more applications from qualified students than it can admit into its programs. All students who are admitted must first meet the high academic standards set by each university. Among that pool of qualified applicants, a variety of factors should be considered in order to enroll a student body that is diverse in many ways. Race should be only one of the factors considered, and every applicant should compete against the entire pool.



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If a professional basketball team for example, could only recruit a certain number of African-Americans, or a certain number of Caucasians…

Review this statement as well:

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Although I support affirmative action on college campuses, I don't believe admissions offices should be forced to meet race quotas or numerical targets.

(also mine)

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Why should the student who did not study as hard be rewarded just because of his race?

Who is to say that the student did not study as hard simply because he is of racial minority? Under my ideal plan for admissions offices, race would be considered, along with grades.

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Affirmative action will just cause more hostility between races, which in turn, can lead to hatred.

The only hostility that will spring from Affirmative Action is the hostility felt by white kids who may not be satisfied with their academic performance in high school and by their SAT scores, and therefore feel threatened by a kid of racial minority who may potentially take his spot. The 4.0 kids with a history in volunteering WILL get in to college. Don’t worry about them. Applications offices recognize hard work when they see it. They don’t let it go unrecognized.
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And, finally, kg…

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to me, achieving diversity is a good goal for affirmative action. once you start using affirmative action as a tool to advance minorities in payment for past wrongs, then you get onto shaky ground... to me, that is a much more controversial foundation for the use of affirmative action.

Hooray for this statement in its entirety!

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school is not a reward for smart people or people who worked hard. schools accept students that they feel will have a high degree of success either at the school, later in life, or hopefulyl both. admission to college is not something to be given to people in recognition for getting good grades and high SAT scores.

Hooray for kg!

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the admissions process is never a process of simply selecting the "smartest" people at the vast majority of universities and colleges. it's a process of selecting the people with the most promise in the eyes of the college. and colleges often want to excel in multiple areas; hence, they elect to diversify their student body.

This guy expresses such a fine point!

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like when colleges set quotas (not that they do this officially anymore) to ensure that such and such number of minorities get in.

Now my turn: Quotas are bad!

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it's an abusable system. and i'm not sure that it will ever work as its intended.

Once more, I agree. Let’s give it a shot and see what comes of it. College admissions officers can’t all be vicious people. The success of this program lies in their hands. Hope for the best!
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but i'm telling you that creating diversity at a university is not necessarily "costing" the school... universities are benefitting from a having a diverse student body.

school is not a reward for smart people or people who worked hard. schools accept students that they feel will have a high degree of success either at the school, later in life, or hopefulyl both. admission to college is not something to be given to people in recognition for getting good grades and high SAT scores.

it may be difficult to swallow that there are different standards. but it's hardly like affirmative action is the only program that has a sliding scale for admissions. a lot of times people that excel in sports don't have the "academic" scores that non-athletes do (at least at the big division I programs) but they still get in, often with a scholarship. people that have done significant volunteer work or had life changing events often get extra attention by the admissions committee. i knew one kid who battled cancer as an 8th grader - the event really changed his life and despite not getting the best grades or scores in high school he got into several really good colleges because they realized that he had a relatively unique, and valuable, experience to offer the school. i never begrudged him that "advantage" that he had - i think that he will really enrich the lives of other students.

also, people from different states often get extra attention by private schools, just like people from in-state get extra attention by public schools. the admissions process is never a process of simply selecting the "smartest" people at the vast majority of universities and colleges. it's a process of selecting the people with the most promise in the eyes of the college. and colleges often want to excel in multiple areas; hence, they elect to diversify their student body.

for those reasons and examples i believe that affirmative action is consistent with other efforts to maintain a profitable and successful diverse student body. the question is when it goes too far. like when a division I athlete gets into a top college with a 900 on their SAT... and that score was under suspicious circumstances. like when a person with horrible grades and scores gets in... because they have an uncle on the board of trustees. like when colleges set quotas (not that they do this officially anymore) to ensure that such and such number of minorities get in.

it's an abusable system. and i'm not sure that it will ever work as its intended. but you can't deny that diversity is a valuable commodity for a college to have. and that is very difficult to cultivate from the elementary school level. certainly, that's a good direction for extra help to be provided. but colleges also have the choice of taking from the high school level as well.
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As you brought up the doctor issue again, kg if we were to not 'diversify' our schools and bring in the people based soley upon grades, then work in certain 'middle-class' areas would be hard to find and we're not going to have stray doctors, now are we? No, so the doctors would get jobs in the inner-cities and eventually the reservations.

I'm not willing to lower standards for anybody, white, black, green, red or pink skinned because we all want diversity. Yes, diversity is a good thing to have because, yes again kg, all different kinds of people bring in different aspects and different traits, but we can still diversify by simply giving a better education to inner-city schools and schools that seem to be the majority African-American. I'm not saying African-Americans are dumb, but if you want to diversify your universities and colleges, wouldn't you go to the primary source? The primary source being elementary, middle and high schools. Let's change the education down there before we want to risk certain aspects in employment because we wish for diversity amongst universities and colleges.
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interesting to bring up the doctor scenario. here's an interesting twist: almost no doctors want to work on native american reservations, and relatively few doctors want to work in inner city primary care clinics. the exceptions are: native american phsyicians are much more likely to work on native american reservations, and poor minorities, the largest groups being black and hispanic, are much more likely to want to work in inner city primary care clinics. so teaching doctors all from one background limits the type of doctors that you will produce.

people who are brought up in a middle/upper class community rarely want to go live in poorer communities. that's why medical schools search for diversity - it brings an intangible, unquantifiable strength to the school by enriching the student body with different experiences.

no matter how smart a rich english male is, he will not be able to contribute the same things that a poor, chinese female can, and vice versa. there is no way to compensate for background - our different experiences enable us to contribute competely different things. good schools search for diversity because they realize that the will have a much more well-rounded and socially aware student body to make their mark upon society.

there is no doubt in my mind that diversity is something to be valued. diversity is a quality that cannot be measured by test scores. that's where the problem kicks in: how do you measure diversity vs. testable intelligence? how much are you willing to lower test score expectations for someone with an extremely valuable upbringing?

it's like sports in a way - teams may take players that are not the strongest or the fastest because they offer some sort of intagible quality such as leadership, championship experience, or the ability to teach younger teammates. those qualities can't be quantified. teams still chase after the strongest and fastest, but they realize that those qualities are not the only factors that go into making a good team. so teams go after both, recognizing that they need both.

to me, achieving diversity is a good goal for affirmative action. once you start using affirmative action as a tool to advance minorities in payment for past wrongs, then you get onto shaky ground... to me, that is a much more controversial foundation for the use of affirmative action.
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but then, is diversity so important that you would be willing to have kids with GPAs of 3.5? 3.0? 2.5? how important is diversity compared to numerical, academic achievement? it's a slippery slope once you start saying that diversity is a necessary strength - because diversity isn't easily quantifiable.



To me this proves my point in a sense that I would rather have 4.0ers and 1600 SAT scorers being my doctor than I would a minority who had 3.0's or 2.5's and maybe 1300, 1400 SAT scores. I don't care if you're black, white, red, grey, or green, if you're my doctor (for example), I want the one who graduated with highest honours from the best specialist or medical schools. I don't want some Caucasion 2.5 1300 SAT scorer who didn't care baotu school working on me because he became a minority, nor do I want one of them being an African-American with the same thoughts and scores.

Dont you want the best for each position? This isn't saying that the best is always 'white'.
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America is the melting pot of the world.
i've heard some people say that america is now more like a giant tossed salad - each ingredient is still individual as entire communities now exist where no english is spoken. just a thought.

i'm still not quite sure where i stand on affirmative action. however, i will say this: a school is strengthened by diversity. a school filled with all asian people with GPA of 4.0s and 1600 SAT scores will not produce as good of a product as a school with mixed races getting let's say 3.9 GPAs and 1550 SAT scores. diversity allows for different interests and ideas to take root and for different paths to be taken. so in that sense, it is in the school's interest to diversify its student body.

but then, is diversity so important that you would be willing to have kids with GPAs of 3.5? 3.0? 2.5? how important is diversity compared to numerical, academic achievement? it's a slippery slope once you start saying that diversity is a necessary strength - because diversity isn't easily quantifiable.

this is the problem looking at affirmative action solely from the position of making a better school. i won't even venture into the debate over making a better society through affirmative action.
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This is an editorial written by Joseph Daggett; I take no credit for his writing, but this completely expresses my feelings concerning Affirmative Action:

"Affirmative Action is ridiculous; it is a step backwards. We are back to color and race differences. We are all Americans. Affirmative action should be abolished solely because we do not want to make the same mistake our society made in the past --- discriminate according to color. Two wrongs do not make a right. Many people say that we should keep affirmative action to render fairness to the minorities because of the wrongs that was once put on to them. This simply does not make sense. To compensate someone, a person must have gone through an experience. People today did not go through such discrimination, as their past ancestors did. How can we punish someone for what they had no control? Our white society today did not commit the wrongs that were committed a generation ago. We should not punish them, but rather treat everyone fairly. We should treat everyone as Americans. Under the affirmative action law, our schools are currently recruiting students according to race and color. If schools and universities should have to recruit by race and color, then why shouldn’t professional sport teams have to do that also? If a professional basketball team for example, could only recruit a certain number of African-Americans, or a certain number of Caucasians, I guarantee that sports lovers would view affirmative action with different views. The solution by supporters of affirmative action is to lower the school’s standards so that they can accept a more diverse group of students. This solution is ridiculous. We should not lower our standards. Instead, all students should raise their own standards in order to improve our society. An Asian student coming out of high school with a 4.0 GPA, and a list of extra curricular activities would not be accepted simply because of his ethnicity. Instead the school would rather accept a Mexican student with a 3.0 GPA. Why should the student who did not study as hard be rewarded just because of his race? To have a stable society, we must move away from affirmative action. This is not the way to solve anything. Affirmative action will just cause more hostility between races, which in turn, can lead to hatred."
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Why would we give those who don't make up a huge part of our population a get-go? That makes no sense. America is the melting pot of the world. We're a country that does not divide but unite all cultures together and unison does not ever branch out. Division is what gives out points and extra efforts.

See how absurd it sounds to include sexual orientation into your application as does your race and heritage? That's what it sounds like to me. It sounds ludicrous and to me it finds itself irrelevent to the application. Your race does not determine your capabilites or inabilities and it does not provide further proof to anybody that you're a better or worse person for this or that job. Your application to sign up for a school should be based soley upon your grades, volunteering, efforts to effect the community and government and projects and such. Race has nothing to do with the A or D you made in Biology Honours. Race only has to do with who you're related to and who you're related to should not increase or decrease your chances to get into a university. Almost the majority agrees that just because you're a Kennedy doesn't mean you should be able to go to Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard, MIT or wherever if you're a Kennedy. If you make D's and you're wealthy and very well known, then you shouldn't be accepted based upon your personal performance, not your race.

Culture, heritage, sexual orientation, age, gender, and race have nothing to do with your applications. We let in genius twelve and ten-year-olds, we let in females and males, we let in homosexuals, bisexuals and heterosexuals.. so why is it different just because you're darker or lighter in skin?
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Remember, the African-American population, though growing, does not match that of the Caucasian American.



Precisely. That's what makes them a minority. Minorities, during the course of history, have not been assisted by their governments because they don't represent a significant percentage of the population. As a nation made up of immigrants, we have a duty to change the course of history...to assist those who do not represent the masses.

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What about the Mexicans? The Puerto-Ricans? The uneducated? The homosexuals? The disabled? Don't they get some points in college, too?



Of course. Latin Americans are a racial minority. I assumed you realized that I was including them (as a generalization) when I used the word 'minority' in my posts. When I say 'minority', I'm talking about racial minorities. Pardon me if I was unclear.

Homosexuals? We aren't talking about sexual orientation. We're talking about race. Black, white, Asian, and Latin Americans all make up the Gay Community. College application forms do not question your sexual orientation. They do however; include a box to fill in, entitled Ethnicity or Ethnic Background.

The uneducated? The root of their problem starts in the lower educational institutions. Those who are uneducated, and do not wish to remain this way, begin by taking remedial and 'basics' courses. They aren't banging at the doors of colleges and universities.

The disabled already have an advantage getting into college. Most universities offer scholarships to students with physical or learning disabilities who desire to attend their schools.

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The white middle class was once a minority. But we prevailed.



To clarify my own statement, I mean that the white middle class did not always make up the majority of college students. White middle class citizens have not been a minority since the days of the Native American. Sorry if that was shaky. Note the time I made that statement...heh.
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What message are we sending out (in this land where we are free to pursue happiness and financial gain, this land whose laws look not at the color of your skin) when the number of African American doctors is nearly the same as it was 75 years ago! A mere 3.7% of American physicians are black. An Article Featured in the NMA Archives

I believe the only way to increase the number of American minorities in our workforce is to use practicality in accepting them into our fine upper institutions of learning. More bluntly, give minorities a chance to catch up.



Catch up? Catch up on what? And who are we sending a message to? First of all, we're not South Africa so we're not going to have the same amount of doctors (and etc.) as we would caucasians. I could use your logics and say there aren't enough gay doctors and what kind of message is our free country sending out? So does that mean we start letting the homosexuals have 'points' or meet quotas or have extra effort pushed behind them? Do you see what I'm saying? The African-American's are doing fine and are fully capable of bringing themselves 'up' or 'catching up' on their own. I can see if we improve inner-city schools or things like that to help just any kid. These African-Americans need reassurance and motivation, not under-handed descriminatory 'help'. They're capable of what we are and they don't 'deserve' anything.

So if we were in Germany would all the Jewish people be given slack? No.

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Affirmative Action gives minorities that fair chance.


A fair chance is a chance given to all of human kind regardless of colour of skin, race, heritage, culture, sexual orientation, gender, age...etc. A fair chance doesn't boost someone's chances because back in the day when we were, yes, idiots, African-Americans weren't allowed to drink and eat in the same courtyard as the white children. No, that's not fair and nobody needs to do any 'catching up'.

Remember, the African-American population, though growing, does not match that of the Caucasian American.

What about the Mexicans? The Puerto-Ricans? The uneducated? The homosexuals? The disabled? Don't they get some points in college, too?

I think, as my own opinion, it sort of lowers the standards of the university as well as the standards set for a typical African-American applying. I have talked to African-American students who do good and want to go to college and they say this:

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I want to be accepted because of my good grades, my intelligence, my knowledge and what I'm able to do not because of my heritage or what I was born into. I did not chose this body and neither did the white people or the red people. We were all born into these bodies but we should be accepted based up on our intelligence and our capabilities, not our colour or heritage.
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To define the word minority is to define the hardships faced by a class of people simply because they are different--not considerable in size. Affirmative Action exists in order to bring minorities away from suffering as "the little guy", give them a little pride in themselves, show them that, they too, can succeed in America, despite small numbers.

The white middle class family is equal to the black middle class family. I'll give you that. Except in one respect. The white middle class incredibly outnumbers the black middle class in this country. That's unfair, and can be changed with the help of the AA plan.

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Everyone should have fair chance; NO ONE should be given specialized privileges.


Affirmative Action gives minorities that fair chance.
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Okay...I'm taking a leap, but hear me out.

Not many white middle class Americans attended college before the 1940s. It just didn't happen.

Before WW2, the upper class elite jacked off through college, and could afford to do so.

Rich families remained educated and rich.

Middle class families remained in small trades and small family-operated businesses.

Now, with the coming of WW2 and the GI Bill, boys from middle class families could finally afford college. Against the odds, these kids made the very most of the valuable opportunity they were offered by the government. They excelled in our country's top institutions!

The GI Bill brought to the white middle class the luxuries we enjoy today. Respectable, professional jobs. Being able to afford a college education. Nice homes in good neighborhoods.

The government took a major gamble in the '40s...allowing war veterans (who would never have attended college if this program had not been available to them) to attend top colleges and universities. On government dollars!! They could've jacked off through school like the educated elite whom they shared their campuses with! But instead, those veterans have paid us back an estimated 350%.

(Now, I'm not saying every privileged college student prior to WW2 was a slacker. I'm sure a great many of those kids were exceptionally studious and resented the fact that a bunch of middle class marching good ole boys were getting hand outs and easy acceptance into their once-exclusive universities.)
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I firmly believe that, given the opportunity, anyone with a drive, anyone who might possibly have the privilege of saying, "I was the first in my family to receive a college degree" will get the most out of an education...and will utilize his skills to make our country a better place.

Think of Affirmative Action as the modern day GI Bill.

The white middle class was once a minority. But we prevailed.

Today's minorities can as well. (given the chance)
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Certainly. But tell me, which young man is more likely to have family behind him, a college fund, and a caregiver already in the workforce?

Neither. You can't base an individual's life on their ethnicity. This is the twenty-first century, and there is a plethora of black individuals with higher-paying careers and more prosperous lives than any given white individual. To theoretically assume that, because someone is a certain color, their life must be the stereotypical BS that supports racism is complete BS.
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Now, which has faced the tribulations that come along with being a minority

Again, your situations are hypothetical. Not all minorities have faced any tribulations regarding racism.
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Racism is still pumping along in the United States, today. Growing up a minority, children today face challenges which would be difficult for me to imagine.

Of course racism still thrives. But now the government is fueling it by giving certain people certain privileges based on their ethnic status. And white people face discrimination, as well. Racism isn't cut-and-dry. There's racism against everyone; not just minorities.
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I support Affirmative Action today, in this year, because it levels the playing field for young minorities that deserve a chance

Like I previously mentioned, AA is a ridiculous concept. Everyone has a chance at succeeding in life. If they work hard, they can do whatever they really want. But giving certain people special perks because of their skin color is unfair, because you cannot assume that every minority is discriminated against, denied equal opportunity, etc. Affirmative Action supports racism, and it disgusts me that it even exists.
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Someday, once a generation or two of minorities have attended college, joined the workforce, and become experts in respected fields, minorities will cease to seem so "minor". Affirmative Action will no longer be necessary.

I live in Georgia where there are colleges specifically intended for black individuals to attend (they're labeled "<something> Black College of <insert general field here>. One of the top schools here consists of 54% minority students. Now do you really think AA is necessary? Colleges have stopped admitting people for their white skin-color and have started accepting people for their intelligence, community leadership, abilities, etc. As I said, Affirmative Action just fuels racism and makes the entire concept of equal opportunity something short of a dream for those who aren't in the "minority" category. Everyone should have fair chance; NO ONE should be given specialized privileges.
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Affirmative action may have a sunset.

Perhaps, in 25 years, it will no longer be necessary.

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Under Affirmative Action, if a white male scores a 1300 on his SAT, and black male scores a 1100 on the same test, the black individual would be more likely to get into <insert prestigious college/university here> because he is a minority.



Certainly. But tell me, which young man is more likely to have family behind him, a college fund, and a caregiver already in the workforce?

Even still, say the two boys came from identical family and financial backgrounds. Now, which has faced the tribulations that come along with being a minority. Racism is still pumping along in the United States, today. Growing up a minority, children today face challenges which would be difficult for me to imagine.

I support Affirmative Action today, in this year, because it levels the playing field for young minorities that deserve a chance.

Someday, once a generation or two of minorities have attended college, joined the workforce, and become experts in respected fields, minorities will cease to seem so "minor". Affirmative Action will no longer be necessary.

Race will no longer be a factor on college aps.

The rules, then, will seem fair to those of you who only want colleges to reward those who worked hardest to be accepted.
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