idk but they way things are going i hope i dont have a daughter.

But when it's 12 and 13 year olds, there's a problem.

And when it's done at school (middle or high) then it's even more of a problem, especially since most of those clothes don't follow dress code in the first place.

And I don't know about you, but I would prefer not to see someone's breasts pushed in front of my face while I'm trying to take a test or something.

I think the 'revealing' clothes girls are wearing today are very much a reaction to the double-standard society places on men and women, in which, as I'm sure we've all heard before, it's okay for a guy to go and sleep with as many girls as he likes, yet if a girl does the same, then she's labelled a '****'. I think the girls nowadays, at least through the recent wave of scandolous clothing, are trying to attract as much attention as possible, in attempts to have more and more sexual relations and go against this double standard. I figure, if a girl wants to engage in sexual actions, then why shouldn't she be able to? It's not like she's effecting my life by going off and sleeping with set number of guys. It's a personal choice. I also really don't have a problem with girls wearing short skirts or skimpy tops. I believe it's much more important for them to have confidence in themselves and be proud of themselves and their bodies. If they feel more confident in a short skirt and thong, I say more power to them! I mean, in the end, it's not like I haven't seen a pair of butt cheeks or breasts before.

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Joey is a freedom stealer how unamerican.

No he's not, he just likes to stir things up, lol.

Nope. Only t-shirts.

What about summer? Don't you wear halter tops or atleast tank tops?

Social conservatives like FML should be the last people on the face of the earth to tell me what I should or should not wear.

It's all about personal choice. If you allow your daughter to dress like a streetwalker, then, what does that reflect upon you?

I cannot talk too much, since I actually like girls who show their stomachs -- it's hot, what can I say.

But pssh, I'll be the first one to protest if some mightier-than-thou social conservative tells ME what to wear.

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Well, the thing is, you should let your children make some decisions, but I'll tell you, I've never worn a two piece suit. I have never worn a sleeveless top, and I have never worn a mini skirt or Daisy Dukes, and I wear a bra all the time...in fact, a sport's bra...even when I'm in bed. (I know it's supposedly not good for you to wear your bra to bed, but my brothers and my dad sometimes see me in my pajamas! I'd be embarassed.) However, I don't feel like a deprived child.

This is odd to me, hubb. There are two-piece, tankini suits, you know, in which it's like wearing a regular suit only it's a tank and a bottom. So it shows a bit of stomach but not much and yet is still a two piece. Those are the only bathing suits I wear (one pieces look terrible on me and...well, let's just say I don't have the body for a bikini). A sleeveless top doesn't have to me spaghetti strap. It can have wide straps and just let your arms breathe. It's hard for me to imagine you've never worn one. They're my best friend in the summer. And how do you wear a sports bra under some tops? The straps will show. And they are not attractive straps. And I would think it would be uncomfortable to wear one to bed. I don't worry about my dad; I'm hoping he's not looking in that area.

But I've never worn short shorts or a mini skirt either...though, I expect I would if I had the body and it didn't show much of anything.

I'd agree about dad's. I don't think he does. I just always wear shirts that the necks go close enough to my neck that the straps don't show. For my few that don't, I found a really cool model of sport's bra that the straps don't go that close to my neck.

Yeah, even the thick strapped sleevelesses. Never worn them.

I know about those other swimsuits, but they don't usually fit me. (I have a tough time with swim-suits. Short, skinny, but bucksome. That's me.) Tankinis don't work though, because of the bit of stomach, but there are some two-piece ones that I could wear, if they fit me.

Some people think it'd be uncomfortable in bed, but I don't even notice it.

If thats the way that the parents want to let them dress then thats their buissness I guess...I know that there are a lot of clothes out there that ARE quite revealing but that doesn't mean everyone wears them! It's kinda their choice....

Joey is a freedom stealer how unamerican.

This is not an easy topic to debate over. While we should be able to wear what we want our clothes affect not only ourselves but other people around us. Too little clothing in schools can be very distracting or very disgusting to members of either sex. Dress codes in public schools should definitley be more enforced. I don't think the dress code should completely knock all of our "trends" but we do need limits. Otherwise, it will become the fashion to go naked. Not that nudity is a terrible idea....

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I don't trust kids to make their own decisions. Why even have parents if our kids are just going to make all their own decisions. If I ever catch my daughter wearing a "halter", she will lose her allowance and get fewer luxuries. She won't really have many places to wear one though, her school will have a uniform and so will her extra-curriculars. I would hope that public ridicule from her peers would also prevent her from dressing like that.

I agree that we have to set limits for children...but I also think that your limits are way too strict. If you treat your daughter like that while she is growing up, she will rebel fiercely when she is away from you and may become something that you disapprove of simply for the sake of doing it. You would be hurting your daughter by doing this. The uniformed school/extracurriculars is, while not my taste, not the most horrible thing I've heard of before; I have nothing against you for that. Yes, I think it limits personal freedom with clothing to the extreme but if that's the type of school you want to send your daughter to, that's up to you. However, she will be in situations in which she will not have to wear a uniform and, rather then offering infinite punishments and disappointment to discourage her perhaps you should tell her the values of wearing more modest clothing.

You also have to realize that, while you want your daughter to dress modestly, you don't need to cover every single part of her body. Kneelength skirts, possibly even a little bit shorter but not much. No cleavage. No low low low risers (just low risers don't show much but today they're coming out with even lower cut pants). But a halter top? I have one that doesn't show anything, it just looks good on me. But it doesn't show my boobs or anything or else my mom wouldn't let me wear it. So be restrictive but let her have some freedoms as well, FML.

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Well, the thing is, you should let your children make some decisions, but I'll tell you, I've never worn a two piece suit. I have never worn a sleeveless top, and I have never worn a mini skirt or Daisy Dukes, and I wear a bra all the time...in fact, a sport's bra...even when I'm in bed. (I know it's supposedly not good for you to wear your bra to bed, but my brothers and my dad sometimes see me in my pajamas! I'd be embarassed.) However, I don't feel like a deprived child.

This is odd to me, hubb. There are two-piece, tankini suits, you know, in which it's like wearing a regular suit only it's a tank and a bottom. So it shows a bit of stomach but not much and yet is still a two piece. Those are the only bathing suits I wear (one pieces look terrible on me and...well, let's just say I don't have the body for a bikini). A sleeveless top doesn't have to me spaghetti strap. It can have wide straps and just let your arms breathe. It's hard for me to imagine you've never worn one. They're my best friend in the summer. And how do you wear a sports bra under some tops? The straps will show. And they are not attractive straps. And I would think it would be uncomfortable to wear one to bed. I don't worry about my dad; I'm hoping he's not looking in that area.

But I've never worn short shorts or a mini skirt either...though, I expect I would if I had the body and it didn't show much of anything.

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We may have been over this already, but do the children themselves know the connotations of thier dressing like that? I don't think that they do. What they do know is "that all the older girls wear them, why can't I?"

I agree. My bf has a little sister who is turning 9 soon and she is at that stage where she worships celebrities much older than herself and she wants to dress like them. Needless to say, her father is not too happy. She's wonderful---I love her to death---but she's just going through that stage where she's going to "dress cool" no matter what and it's the end of the world if she doesn't get to.

I think we just need to explain to girls that, even though we know they are wonderful and wouldn't do what their clothing says they will, that the connotation is still there and it is very negative and inappropiate for them to wear those clothes.

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This is one of the most frusturating subjects. People should have a choice in what they wear, including teens and kids, but they needs to be a limit. The whole shirts that seem like they should be a toddler size is ridiculous. But at the same time, what's wrong with a tank top? There is always a happy medium. It honestly seems that when a girl dresses like a skank, she is treated like a skank. If that is the position she wants to put herself into, it's her choice, but everyone shouldn't have to deal with her choices. What people wear is their own choice, but it affects people around them. Now because so many people have decided that they like the "hoochy" lookin clothing it has become increasingly dificult to find clothes that are in my book, appropriate. Not every girl wants her stomach hanging out of her clothes, but now it seems nearly impossible to find clothes that don't cause that to happen. There honestly has to be a happy medium, but with the attitude people have now, i highly doubt it will be foung any time soon.

I agree with everything you say, including the part about it being hard to find appropiate clothes for myself. But since I shop in the less popular stores that Abercrombie, Aeropostale, etc. it's a bit easier for me.


What I'm after here, people, is an in between. Girls ages 17 and below should not be wearing midriff-baring tops, skirts and shorts up to there, and push-up bras. It's just not appropiate. Most schools don't allow you to wear those clothes anyway and most parents also dont' want you to wear those clothes. And even GUYS---you know, those ones you want to impress---don't want you wearing those clothes. Whether you are a tramp or not, those clothes give you that connotation. People are going to think that about you whether it's true and whether or not you like it. Since the majority of the people in your life don't want you to wear them, it's inappropiate for you to wear them, and it makes you look like a tramp to others the DON'T WEAR THEM. It really is that simple.

An example of what guys are thinking: At an award ceremony for academic lettering that I went to, a girl walked up the stage in a skirt that, had it been an inch or two shorter, you could have seen her butt. It was also really, really tight. In other words, highly revealing and inappropiate for the ceremony. The guy behind me said something like, "I got to second base with her while she was walking up the steps." That's what guys are thinking and he did not make that comment in a positive way---he was making fun of her. And he was a popular Abercrombie, Hollister kind of guy too!!! So, there you have it. Even the boys don't like it.

Now, I'm cool with tank tops, halter tops, short skirts, and shorts---as long as no body parts are hanging out. If I can see your boobs or your butt or I can almost see them (as in, if you bent over), then that is too low cut or too short. Do it in the mirror, at least for your tops. If, when you bend over, your boobs can be easily seen, that top is probably not appropiate.

I don't know how much clearer I can be: Wear clothes that you like and that you're comfortable in but just don't show so much skin.

This is one of the most frusturating subjects. People should have a choice in what they wear, including teens and kids, but they needs to be a limit. The whole shirts that seem like they should be a toddler size is ridiculous. But at the same time, what's wrong with a tank top? There is always a happy medium. It honestly seems that when a girl dresses like a skank, she is treated like a skank. If that is the position she wants to put herself into, it's her choice, but everyone shouldn't have to deal with her choices. What people wear is their own choice, but it affects people around them. Now because so many people have decided that they like the "hoochy" lookin clothing it has become increasingly dificult to find clothes that are in my book, appropriate. Not every girl wants her stomach hanging out of her clothes, but now it seems nearly impossible to find clothes that don't cause that to happen. There honestly has to be a happy medium, but with the attitude people have now, i highly doubt it will be foung any time soon.

FML:

My point was that some people over-react. MY MOTHER buys my clothing. TRUST ME, she actually measures my shorts. As in, WITH A MEASURING TAPE. It's OK, until I get in trouble at school for no reason.

I DON'T dress a certain way because everyone else is (unless it's for my orchestra concerts) and I STILL get in trouble for wearing a sleevless shirt or tank-top. If you don't know what those are, they show your SHOULDERS.

As for pajama's, I've tried. My mother won't let me because she believes the same as you. And skirts; I don't wear them. Find them impractical. My father won't let me wear flip-flops either, so I have one pair of everyday sneakers. BELIEVE you me, I'm not a tramp. Not only do I not want to be, but even if I did (which I repeat, I DON'T) my parents would NEVER let me be.

Actually, I have to agree with ampmaster on this one, on thinking about it again.

Voice: just because someone else looks trampy doesn't mean it's ok for you to. I'm tired of people dressing a certain way because of how they themselves feel looks good and then complaining about other peoples perceptions. Either you base how you dress on how you are perceived or you dress the way you want and shut up when people tell you how trashy you look. I would love to walk around in pajamas but people would perceive me to be lazy. I would wear a "beater" shirt around for comfort, but I would be perceived to be classless and trashy.

The final statement on this is do you want your children to look like they are tramps at a young age or not my motto on this is "maintain their innocence plenty of time for their sexy c*** when their older and out of my house"

This is ridiculous.

I've gotten in trouble FOUR TIMES this week for "innapopriate" clothing. Each time, their excuse was "You're hanging out all over the place."

Well, EXCUSE ME for actually having breasts! Because then, another girl walks by with an ACTUAL cleavage showing, but they don't get mad because she's practically an ironing board!

One of my friends, God knows I love her, but SHE has booty-shorts and TINY mini-skirts, but since she's so flat and tiny, hardly gets in trouble. I wear shorts LITERALLY twice as long as hers, but because I've got an a**, I'm told I'm "trampy".

And I read that article, and I think that father is just over-reacting. Sure, there are planty of trashy clothes on the market, but we are not an Islamic country where women must cover up everything that suggests their sex (including hair). I was a bit offended at most of his comments and was shocked that he would force his daughters friends to change or leave.

We may have been over this already, but do the children themselves know the connotations of thier dressing like that? I don't think that they do. What they do know is "that all the older girls wear them, why can't I?"

I hate questions like that.

Now, what we have is an example of how young children are affected by the media, and by older generations. We should be setting an example, not the parents. Of course they should as well, but I am sure that very few of you have taken fashion tips from your parents.

Well, the thing is, you should let your children make some decisions, but I'll tell you, I've never worn a two piece suit. I have never worn a sleeveless top, and I have never worn a mini skirt or Daisy Dukes, and I wear a bra all the time...in fact, a sport's bra...even when I'm in bed. (I know it's supposedly not good for you to wear your bra to bed, but my brothers and my dad sometimes see me in my pajamas! I'd be embarassed.) However, I don't feel like a deprived child.