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You realize that not any protection is 100% worthy of the "job" it is supposed to be used for?

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I wonder how many Foxy's out there learned this lesson the hard way.

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My religion belives sex is a good thing. It's a way to open yourself fully to the other person, and even your divinity

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Are you sure Foxy? Seems in Buddhism being a Virgin was just as important as christianity.
(I.E Siddhartha virgin birth, Its interesting to know for someone who talks about the many Church cover ups, there are stories of Siddhartha mother as having sex before her conception of Siddhartha with a young man 'not her husband')

‘[There lived a king who had a wife]… and one day she conceived the fruit of her womb, but without any defilement… Just before her conception she had a dream. A white king elephant seemed to enter her body, but without causing her any pain… she remained free from the fatigues, depressions and [desires] which usually accompany pregnancies… He came out of his mother’s side, without causing pain or injury… He did not enter the world in the usual manner, and he appeared like one descended from the sky.'

It is also said that soon after he was born Siddhartha’s mother died so as to avoid further intercourse (‘Because it is not fitting that she who bears a Pearless One [perfect, without blemish] should afterwards indulge in love’).

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Just make sure you use protection!!

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You realize that not any protection is 100% worthy of the "job" it is supposed to be used for?

Yes, Korith it is sad. Foxy 'being *****' isn't a excuse. To me, it's wrong. No one at a young age should be having sex. Pregnancy, dieseses (sp?) To me, having a diesese for the rest of your life, becasue of some 5 min. pleasure isn't worth it. Or having to take care of some poor kid that gets you as a mother or father that can barley take care of themselves. Wait till you can buy an apartment, get good job, and a steady income. Or even, reponsibility. Because I doubt, no teeenager would like the reasponsibility of a child. If you say you do, your lying like hell and full of BS.
-DepressedWithoutReason

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Anyways, premarital sex is awsome have it all the time ppl

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Sad.

Korith I don't care.

Anyways, premarital sex is awsome have it all the time ppl. Just make sure you use protection!!

much luv

~*FOXY*~

(ps sorry i'm really horney right now)

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But the Bible is unclear.

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"Does the Bible have a verse that comes right out and says sex before marriage is wrong?"
Uh oh.
One of my Christian friends asked me this recently. He knows it's wrong and he knows why it's wrong but, after he heard a church guest speaker enlighten everyone on the issue, he noticed the Bible isn't as clear on the subject as we all thought.
Just wait until teenagers get a hold of that.
Consider this: the newer translations (e.g., the NIV) use "sexual immorality" instead of the word "fornication." Sneaky teenagers then have a loophole, since "sexual immorality" is vague enough that it might refer simply to adultery and not sex before marriage. In other words, the newer translations of the Bible never explicitly say "no sex before marriage."
Paul distinguishes sexual immorality from adultery in 1 Cor 6:9, and the author of Hebrews does likewise in Heb 13:4. So we know that sexual immorality is not just adultery. But does sexual immorality include premarital sex?
If you gave a young kid an NIV Bible, you better hope he's not reading it, my friend said tongue-in-cheek.
Hmmm... I bet that guest speaker was one of those KJV-only conspiracists.
Let's think about this for a minute. We've heard it so often, we take it for granted. We bellow it from the pulpit; we make it a slogan; we make it a Christian rallying cry for morality: "No Sex Before Marriage!" But if the Bible doesn't declare that sex before marriage is wrong, we might as well just put that "True Love Waits" program on the shelf.
So where exactly do we come up this "no premarital sex" rhetoric?
Yes, we still get it from the Bible
OK, the Bible does not come out and say point-blank: "No sex before marriage!" But then, the Bible doesn't come out and point-blank define the Trinity, nor does the Bible come out point-blank and say that abortion is wrong. But the absence of an in-yer-face verse does not mean the Bible is silent on an issue.
If no cut-and-dry verse is available on a subject, do we just shrug our shoulders and say, "Have faith, my friend"? Of course not. In the absence of explicit verses (interpreted in context, of course), we seek the counsel of the whole of Scripture.
Look at the doctrine of the Trinity, for example. To summarize it in one sentence, we know that there is only one God (Isa 45:5a) yet there are three persons who are God (Father: John 6:27; Son: John 1:1; Holy Spirit: Acts 5:3-4). Therefore, the only conclusion then is that there are three persons in one Godhead.
Similarly, we know that murder is sin (Ex 20:13) and we know that the unborn is considered fully human from conception (Ps 51:5). So if we put two and two together, we know that killing the unborn is sin. Using such exegesis, we can determine God's stand on premarital sex.
In other words, we can still prove that premarital sex is wrong even if there isn't an explicit "thou shalt not..." verse.
OK, smarty, so where in the Bible is it?
First, God declared that man and woman become one flesh when he cleaves to his wife (Gen 2:24; compare 1 Cor 6:16). Man's virginity (not becoming one flesh with another) is expected until he cleaves to his wife.
Also, a woman who was not a virgin when married was to be stoned to death (Deut 22:13-21). So a woman's virginity is also expected until she is married.
Hm. Since God expects both man and woman to be virgins until marriage, this pretty much rules out premarital sex, I'd say.
"Dang!" I can just hear those teens now.
And don't forget that marriage is an example of Christ's relationship to the church. Both Christ and the church wore white garments in the book of Revelation, symbolic of purity.
"Double dang!"
Taken together, we see that "sexual immorality" quite clearly includes premarital sex since premarital sex is forbidden. And of course we all know that sexual immorality is condemned (Acts 15:24; 1 Cor 6:18; 10:8; Eph 5:3; Col 3:5; 1 Thes 4:3).
So although the Bible doesn't explicitly state "No sex before marriage," God's stand is still glaringly evident.
The last word
Do all these limitations mean that God is a prude regarding sex?
All together now... "Of course not.
The key is marriage. Once you're married, God not only allows you to have sex, He even encourages (if not urges) it (1 Cor 7:1-5). Of course, you better make sure you marry someone whose neck you won't want to wring after you know them better...because sex sure won't be on your mind then.
By the way, where does the Bible explicitly say that only explicit verses are useful for teaching and correcting? I can't find that anywhere in the Bible.

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I believe that sex before marriage is wrong. The strongest reason for MYSELF is because I believe that God wants me to save myself for my future husband. Of course, I know that many people are not Christians and do not have a relationship with God, so I would not expect that reason to apply to everyone. I do believe that being a virgin on your wedding night is ideal though fo many non-religious reasons. Here are some reasons:
-So that sex does not cloud your vision when getting to know a person- If you are in a sex-free relationship you are forced to really get to know the person for who they are.
-So that you are not faced with abortions and/or pregnancies outside of the support of marriage.
-so you are not faced with STDs
-So you will never be compared to past partners
-I do not like the idea of my future husband having sex with someone else. he will be my husband and that bond is something that is meant for he and I to share together.
We had a really good speaker who talked about all kinds of things including sex. He was really good and had some good things to say even if you don't agree with everything. His name is Brad Henning- if you ever get a chance to hear him, do it! He was really good. He told stories of friends of his who had sex with other girls before they met their wives. He said that one guy came into his office sobbing. Having sex before he was married is one of the biggest regrets he has. It was all fine then, but after he met his wife it has really troubled him. He loves his wife SO MUCH, and really wishes he had saved himself for her. He only wants HER in his mind, but he won't ever be able to get rid of those other girls.
I know that there are many marriages that have worked out fine where one or both partners have had sex with someone else before... I just think that if you take marriage seriously and want to have the best possible relationship with your future spouse that abstaining from sex before hand is a plus.
I am looking forward to meeting and marrying "the guy for me" and I want that relationship to be as wonderful as possible. I believe that by being a virgin until I am married will make my marriage happier and stronger.
I would like to hear any contradictions to my reasoning or questions about what I think.
Audrey

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I would wait, not because of religion, but because I have made a conscious decision to stay abstinent until marriage. I want to be prepared not only physically but also mentally and emotionally. Most importantly, I don't wanna have regrets of past relationships that might not have worked out cuz we went too fast. I'd rather stay a virgin because I want to stay pure for the "one," if there is one.
I don't judge anyone who has already done it, I made a personal choice do to the way I believe and I don't expect everyone to do the same.

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What more can I say? I completely agree with you YouthVoice.

Thanks Billy! I will get a Complete, Unabridged, Oxford English Dictionary. I will! I am so sick of this tiny little pocket dictionary, and the fifty year old (or thereabouts) collegiate dictionary, which didn't even HAVE fornication in it. Grrr. Love, Jen.

fornication is - consensual sexual intercourse between two persons not married to each other.

adultery is - voluntary sexual intercourse between a married man and someone other than his wife or between a married woman and someone other than her husband.

depends where you look...everyone has an opinion...even dictionaries

Billy:
I actually did read your post, and I was trying to address it in my first reply, but I didn't explain myself, and I'm afraid I came out sounding snide. I'm sorry. I took some time to look the issue up in my Bible, and I found a quote (Hebrews 13:4, NKJV) that says "Marriage is honorable among all, and the bed undefiled; but fornicators and adulterers God will judge." There may be other passages, but this is the first one that I came across that clearly mentioned adultery AND fornication. From what I understand, fornication is used to refer to sex outside of marriage, which is supported by the context of the passage, although my dictionary just says "illicit sexual intercourse," which could mean any number of things, including those in the old testament passage you mentioned (close family members, animals (eww!) ect.) Wow, I totally sound like a know-it-all now. I was just trying to clear up what I was saying about the Bible being clear about premarital sex. Bye now!

you obviously didn't read my post right below yours

Okay, I'll bet you're really confused by now! You're never going to get a solid answer on this one. I, personally, believe in waiting until marriage, because I'm a Christian and I think the Bible's pretty clear about adultery AND fornication (sex, outside of marriage, with an UNMARRIED person). However, you have to decide for yourself what you believe. The fact that you're asking probably means you have some doubts, and about the worst thing you can do is have sex when you're having doubts about it. Usually that's a sign that something isn't quite right or you're not ready. Of course, you're going to be nervous about it, but if I were you I would take some time to seriously think this through before you do anything you might regret later. I'm not trying to scare you here, it's just that it'll be something that could affect your marriage later on and how you feel about yourself in the near future. God bless.

Is it? Fundamentalists would have us believe it. But the Bible is unclear. In Exodus, chapter 20, we read the Ten Commandments, and are told that we should not commit adultery. Adultery however is not defined as simply having sex outside of marriage. It's defined as having sex with a married person. Nothing is said to prohibit sexual relations between two unmarried people. In fact, if we look in the book of Leviticus, we are given a list of every situation in which we should not have sex. We're not to have sex with married people, or with family members, or with animals. We are not, however, prohibited from having sex with an unmarried person who is not in our family.

I'd wait to have sex until after you are married not just because of what I have been taught but because I think it's right. You should wait until you know the other person loves you and you love him. You can't take chances on something this big. You don't want to have someone who don't loves baby or get an STD from the person. Condoms aren't a 100% effective so they might not help. You shouldn't take that chance.

goldenangel:
the thing is, if you are really in a true and close relationship, you have probablly discussed with your partner who their former partners have been. and if theres any doubt about your or their STDs, then you both care enough to go get tested. one of the only ways (Not the ONLY way, one of them tho) to get an STD or HIV/AIDS when you are married or in a commited realtionship is if your partner hasnt been tested or sleeps with someone else while you are together.
btw, not all people who have sex before marrige have it with any random dude on the street. a commited relationship doesn't have to be one that ends up in marrige. and intelligent people are very safe about sex: they use condoms, damns, birth control, and know who their partners history.
and heres something a little funny, and a true story:
my best friends cousin was a Born Again Christian, and wanted to wait till marrige to have sex. she and her fiance didnt have sex at all, until the honeymoon.
when she found out he was into some really kinky stuff.
and she realized she wasnt.
and as much as some people said "if you love him it doesnt matter", it revolted her. it can be a BIG issue that causes other issues.
personally, im all for sex, if you're ready. whenever you're ready. "purity" is overrated.

Er, iluvlogan.... I plan to adopt, too. But that doesn't mean I (or you) can't have sex. Didn't anyone ever teach you about condoms and the Pill?

Personally....no i wont have sex till i'm married and know wut? prolly not then either!@ b/c theres a lot of children out their who really need a mom and a dad and i'm all for them i'll adopt 10 if i can....and most of the time i do damn well as i please...''the one'' well i'm waiting for him, but i think if he doesnt come, i'm ready to be a single parent in a cupple of years of course!

I would wait, not because of religion, but because I have made a conscious decision to stay abstinent until marriage. I want to be prepared not only physically but also mentally and emotionally. Most importantly, I don't wanna have regrets of past relationships that might not have worked out cuz we went too fast. I'd rather stay a virgin because I want to stay pure for the "one," if there is one.
I don't judge anyone who has already done it, I made a personal choice do to the way I believe and I don't expect everyone to do the same.
Sweet day.