Jeez Louise... You really are pretty ignorant, jamaica. "You MUST love and respect and care and keep your child as priority #1. Anything else is horrible. And no abortions either. That's selfish too. And if you can't, fine, just give your baby up for adoption. That way, you have no idea where your child is in 18 years and you'll never know if your child is actually cared for. That's love."

You're an idiot to difference sometimes.

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I would want any child molsters adopting my kid.

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The parenting license would help prevent that. And children services monitor and watch people before letting them adopt, they also go to extremes and do background checks and personality analyst at times.

I would want any child molsters adopting my kid.

All i can say is, once you become a parent, you have to prioritize your child first. That is your responsibility. Also, by loving and raising your child, you are expressing LOVE. Selfless love is the greatest of all terms of Love, because it expresses an infinite love, putting another human being's problems and life before your own. This is just like in the case of abortion... If you abort your child, you are selfish, but if you really go through with it no matter how difficult it is, the rewards are truly beautiful and you are expressing a selfless love.

PS: it is better to have your kid up for adoption, rather than abortion.

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Disregard that last post. I hadn't read the original post.

Putting everyone on birthcontrol is not possible. Poor peoplcouldn't afford it, and catholics wouldn't allow it. People who don't trust the givernment wouldn't take it either.

Taking children away from parents also is very tricky. YOu'd need approved parents to be adoptive parents.
You also must remember, all foster parents would have to pass aswell. With fewer foster homes and fewer eligiable parents and not everyone on birthcontrol, it simply would not work.

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Yes I suppose you are very right. It is a tricky and complicated situation but Maybe there are some ways around those problems. I just think that this would solve many or help with some issues that we are faced with today. Regulating how many children a fmaily has and if they are even capable of having children is really a serious situation. Seeing how I'm pro-life it would also help bring down the amount of abortions in a year without having to make it illegal. I also know that some other issues would arise from this. But I think that the parents get 3 chances to take a licensing test and if they don't pass by the 3rd time, they will have to retake the course. It's rather simple in a sense, but it just brings awareness to the parents and how they handle themselfs with the children. And maybe just expecting parents need to pass a parenting course as like a requirement. This is really a tricky situation I know, and I really don't have a fighting arguement on this but I do think that this is a issue that could be reviewed, examined, changed, and applied. Does anyone else have any ideas or suggestions?

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this is so easy... Just QUIT SMOKING.

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It's not always that easy. Smoking is an addiction; addictions can be hard to break.

Disregard that last post. I hadn't read the original post.

Putting everyone on birthcontrol is not possible. Poor peoplcouldn't afford it, and catholics wouldn't allow it. People who don't trust the givernment wouldn't take it either.

Taking children away from parents also is very tricky. YOu'd need approved parents to be adoptive parents.
You also must remember, all foster parents would have to pass aswell. With fewer foster homes and fewer eligiable parents and not everyone on birthcontrol, it simply would not work.

if they didn't pass, you'd take the children? If so, where would they go?

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The problem I have with this idea is: who would decide if someone is fit to have kids or not? I mean what would getting the license involve? The idea of a "good or fit parent" can change from person to person. So who would be the one to decide that?

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Very good question. I think that Children services could maybe distrubate the license. In order to get the license I believe that the couple or single parent would take the standard test after a while or parenting courses. It's kinda like getting a driving license. They will be have to take those dolls home that are censored and are like real babies. Be asked questions about how they would handle themselfs in certain situations and things of that nature. Once again this is only an Idea and believe that it could possibly work if the idea was secured.

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is that really all that unreasonable?
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Yeah, in those conditions I think so.

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I don't really think that it's unreasonable at all. She already has 7 other children that she needs to raise. It's not only unfair to them but to the one on the way as well. You shouldn't keep breeding if you can't even take proper care of them.

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is that really all that unreasonable?

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Yeah, in those conditions I think so.

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Is it wrong to neuter a rapist? I'd say no, but there is always the chance that you might convict someone whom is innocent and that would be a doozie.

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The thing is a lot of women don't even report their rapes, so the rapist doesn't get caught. Also, just neutored? Damn, I'd cut their ***** off.

If you go to CNN.com today there is a story about a judge whom has ordered a woman to stop having children. She has 7 kids that have all been taken from her by social services, 3 of whom were born with crack in their systems. This is the 2nd time this particular judge has done this, the first time was similar and the lady said her civil rights are being violated, so the first case is being appealed.
The judge has ordered both women to stop having children until they can regain and take care of the ones they have already birthed, is that really all that unreasonable?
Perhaps the answer isn't needing a license to have kids but instead making a judgment call on when someone has already had enough kids or mistreated the ones they do have, they need to be spade and/or neutered. Is it wrong to neuter a rapist? I'd say no, but there is always the chance that you might convict someone whom is innocent and that would be a doozie.

The problem I have with this idea is: who would decide if someone is fit to have kids or not? I mean what would getting the license involve? The idea of a "good or fit parent" can change from person to person. So who would be the one to decide that?

Jamaica, you don't get that not everyone wants to conform to your life and your thoughts.

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does that mean, that if not everyone wants kids, but that certain person who really doesnt want kids, but got pregnant, she has to murder it?

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Exactly.

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agree.. i mean, women are made to have kids, not for anything else

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Actually, we're also made to work, to travel, to think, and to learn, and to do many other things, and we can chooose whether we want to include a baby ito it or not.

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That's insane. Not everyone wants kids.

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does that mean, that if not everyone wants kids, but that certain person who really doesnt want kids, but got pregnant, she has to murder it?

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The problem with this is some women can't take the pill or the patch (as in, women who smoke, for example), and the shot can have terrible side effects.

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this is so easy... Just QUIT SMOKING.

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Or can get an abortion.

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why do you have to make life difficult by making wrong decisions? I mean, if people were devastated with the tsunami disaster, dont you think that unconsciously, you are LOVING people who were once babies??? all of us are babies.. before we we turned to teens and adults.

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Of course people are going to say that abortion is always a cure for this but why should abortion be an option, that can be just as serious.

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i agree.. i mean, women are made to have kids, not for anything else.... Why is there so much hatred toward kids when in fact, all of us came from being a baby right? Also, parenting license and adoption is better than killing your own child because you dont want it or something. besides, there would always be mothers who are more willing to take care of them for you.... i found a poem about adoption (but i really forgot to bring it with me) so, i will post it up next time.

So although this plan isn't exactly flawless, I still think that if we try to compromise and work out the kinks it may be a good idea. Does anyone have any suggestions at all?

Precisely, and that is why those of us that don't want kids should be rewarded for not breeding.

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Very true, but if they don't want children then maybe they can get their tubes tied. I would atleast true one of those things on the mother just to be safe. Of course my plan isn't flawless, but I think that something along these lines could some how be enforced.

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Tubes tied isn't nearly as effective as the pill. We should get something as equally effective or it won't be fair for these women.

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The thing with this is that alot can happen within the year, and even if things go good the first year, things may change later. The license could reassure that all would be good, and of oourse like every other license it would have to be renewed.

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Of course the monitoring shouldn't limit itself to a year alone, but I mean, like less monitoring.

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This also is very true but just because they think they can doesn't mean they can. They license testing would determine this, and the parents should have atleast 3 chances for the license. If they can't pass it by the third time then they truly don't deserve the child. They may sound harsh but we all need to think of what's in best interest for children. Some countries actually regulate how many children you can have.

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The countries that regulate kid numbers are usually very overpopulated.

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Maybe the answer would be to compensate married couples that don't have kids, I for one would definitely go for that!

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That's insane. Not everyone wants kids.