The word incest springs a few things up.child pornography,child rape,and child abuse.so i think that the poeple who get caught with these things sould be put on death row as they are freaky sick people who are out of their twisted heads

The Eskimos thing was a joke, people.

Yeah, corey's original statement said it best. Well, it should be this way in all states: Death Row should accomodate child molestors, rapists, wife beaters, Eskimos, incest(ers), male prisoners who rape other men, and Catholic/religious priests [who rape and molest kids].

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I'm scared, I don't want to hurt people. I bet those people didn't want to hurt people but they couldn't control it.

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True. I worry about that stuff, too. Like when I was in the kindergarden and saw that beautiful boy, and was talking with my friend about how cute he was, how smart etc. Or reading about serial killers- a lot of people assume that I want to be like that if I read that stuff, and I try to explain, but then I wonder if that's true. I get so mad sometimes. It's like I have tons of hate locked up inside me. I can't see myself stabbing or choking someone, I don't want to kill anyone, but sometimes I wonder if that could change in a couple of years. I guess you just have to trust your own judgement, however hard it may be.

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I hate my personality. I wish I was normal sometimes!

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Relax. There's no such thing as normal, since it means to be like everyone else and we're all different. Maybe your personality says you can work as something like a therapist, author, social worker. Just work it to your advantage.

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The thing about all this is that it happens to other people too. Lots of people have some of this stuff, I even have this stuff. However they and HOPEFULLY I won't go out and kill people for it. However, some do. That's the thing that I was trying to figure out since I was ten years old, Why do some do it and some don't?

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Some things like deppression or anxiety are clincal. Or it can stem from a lot of events. Too mant. I have deppresion, too, and I've never sufferent incest (hopefully- some don't remember it till a much later age).

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I mean okay, there's this man who got raped as a child and there's this other man who got raped as a child also. They both endured the same painful things and they both came out with depression and some other things. Why does one man go and rapes little kids and the other man tries his best to live his life with the problem?

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That's what's being studied everywhere right now. Why do people react to things so differently? What makes us who we are- mostly born or mostly our enviroment? that's why people want cloning- to make two people with the same genes to separte and see if they turn out the same or not.

Thanks BillyO

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They are smart too, they will do things to test you, once he stood there, looked at me and peed all over the floor!! You have no idea how angry I was!!! I yelled and told him to get out of the room.

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Once my dog pissed on my foot. Was I mad? No!!!!! Was I shocked? Yea!!!!!!

He did that in purpose though, I know he did. He was upset with me about something and he does things when he is mad. I mean if I don't pay attention to him a lot or how much he wants, he will take something of mines while I'm not home and chew it and then leave it in the front door so when I come in, all I see is that.

I could never get mad at him but he shock me everyday. He does frustrate me sometimes, when he acts like he owns the whole house and when I ask him to do something, he doesn't do it and I know he knows how to do it, he is just being stubbore.

He is so spoiled and picky!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

However, he is the most friendly dog you will ever meet even though his kind is known for fighting and being mean and I know he cares about me because he cries when I go. He acts like he doesn't need me but he knows he will die without me.

Bye N Have a nice day

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It's scary how my own mind works, I like breaking people down and observing every piece of them.

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Don't feel so bad, I do that, I may even be worse. Many times I claim I can figure a person out in 10 seconds. To prove it sometimes I'll bet people on that persons next move, more times I am right on the money then wrong. But it doesn't have to be a bad thing, I tend to avoid people sometimes. For instance last week on two different days this guy asked me for a ride at a gas station(did I mention this before?). I would not give him a ride, he was nice, well spoken...I just didn't like his approach. So a day or so ago I go to that gas staion again, there were cops everywhere. I asked what happend....seems that guy tried to car jack someone, this time it didn't work for him, he got beaten pretty bad by his victim. I find myself avoiding trouble alot, why I think this is because I am a predator and I understand what they are going to do.

I think the fact that you somewhat understand yourself will help you. Sure I have bad thoughts sometimes, everyone does....but it doesn't mean you will act on them. For instance I have a 10 month old puppy. Now before you go how cute, he is a Chow Chow(chinese fighting dog) and when he stands on his hind legs is almost as tall as I am. It is in his nature to play rough, everytime I take him outside he gets out of control, I get so angry I think bad things, like I want to kick him or something. They are smart too, they will do things to test you, once he stood there, looked at me and peed all over the floor!! You have no idea how angry I was!!! I yelled and told him to get out of the room. But have never tried to hurt him and I don't think I would, because I do care about him alot, I understand he is a puppy and he needs me to teach him right from wrong. This is something I hope continues on when I have kids....and I think you understanding yourself will help you understand other people as well.

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Teddy, I can see what you mean. Reading or hearing something doesn't make you want to run out and do that thing, but helps you if you're going to do it. Even if Dahmer or those kids wouldn't have had medical books at home, they would have found some other way. It just made them "better"- or worse, for us.

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It still scared me a lot though. I feel just paranormal that I know this kind of stuff. What if I go insane one day and use my knowlegde against human kind or poor helpless little animals? Um, I could control my behavior but the thing is that they can't. What if I lose control? What if I abuse kids? I'm scared, I don't want to hurt people. I bet those people didn't want to hurt people but they couldn't control it. I know too much about Psy. that people think that I took a class for it.

I didn't, I learned this all on my own. Not from books but from people themselves. It's scary how my own mind works, I like breaking people down and observing every piece of them.

I hate my personality. I wish I was normal sometimes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Anxiety and/or confusion; panic attacks; fears and phobias
Depression--often including suicidal thoughts or attempts
Low self-esteem--a feeling of being flawed or bad
Shame and guilt--over acts of commission and/or omission
Inability to trust themselves or others
Fear of feelings--a need to control feelings and behavior (their own and others'); compulsive caretaking
Nightmares and flashbacks--intensely arousing recollections
Insomnia--and other sleep disorders
Amnesia--memory loss, forgetting pieces of childhood
Violence--or fear of violence
Discomfort with being touched
Compulsive sexual activity
Sexual dysfunction
Hypervigilance--extreme startle response
Social alienation--feeling isolated and alone
Inability to sustain intimacy in relationships and/or entering abusive relationships in which they are revictimized
Overachievement and/or underachievement/underemployment--feeling like an imposter professionally
As adults, becoming abusers and/or protectors
As adults, becoming victims of other abuse
Having split or multiple personalities--or feeling as though they do
Substance abuse--drugs, alcohol, and so on
Eating disorders
Unrealistic and negative body image--feeling distant from their own bodies
Feeling like a frightened child
Hyperconscious of body and appearance

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The thing about all this is that it happens to other people too. Lots of people have some of this stuff, I even have this stuff. However they and HOPEFULLY I won't go out and kill people for it. However, some do. That's the thing that I was trying to figure out since I was ten years old, Why do some do it and some don't?

I mean okay, there's this man who got raped as a child and there's this other man who got raped as a child also. They both endured the same painful things and they both came out with depression and some other things. Why does one man go and rapes little kids and the other man tries his best to live his life with the problem?

I think I understand why but at the same time I really don't know.


Bye N Have a nice day

That's okay, Billy. I got a bit too excited, too.

Teddy, I can see what you mean. Reading or hearing something doesn't make you want to run out and do that thing, but helps you if you're going to do it. Even if Dahmer or those kids wouldn't have had medical books at home, they would have found some other way. It just made them "better"- or worse, for us.

I saw a documentry on the two types of serial murderers- pyscotic and pyschopathic (think I mentioned it before). anyway, they (movie makers) said they tried a way to cure pyschopathy, by making them interact with each other and try to care for each other. when they checked for progress, they were worse than when they started out. Creepy.

Anyway, I searched for "understanding incest" and found nothing I was looking for. Did find:
FREQUENT ISSUES AND PROBLEMS FACED BY INCEST SURVIVORS
from Betrayal of Innocence
by Susan Forward & Craig Buck

Not every incest survivor experiences all of these. And this list is not exhaustive, but includes many of the problems most commonly reported by male survivors:

Anxiety and/or confusion; panic attacks; fears and phobias
Depression--often including suicidal thoughts or attempts
Low self-esteem--a feeling of being flawed or bad
Shame and guilt--over acts of commission and/or omission
Inability to trust themselves or others
Fear of feelings--a need to control feelings and behavior (their own and others'); compulsive caretaking
Nightmares and flashbacks--intensely arousing recollections
Insomnia--and other sleep disorders
Amnesia--memory loss, forgetting pieces of childhood
Violence--or fear of violence
Discomfort with being touched
Compulsive sexual activity
Sexual dysfunction
Hypervigilance--extreme startle response
Social alienation--feeling isolated and alone
Inability to sustain intimacy in relationships and/or entering abusive relationships in which they are revictimized
Overachievement and/or underachievement/underemployment--feeling like an imposter professionally
As adults, becoming abusers and/or protectors
As adults, becoming victims of other abuse
Having split or multiple personalities--or feeling as though they do
Substance abuse--drugs, alcohol, and so on
Eating disorders
Unrealistic and negative body image--feeling distant from their own bodies
Feeling like a frightened child
Hyperconscious of body and appearance

It's sad. I read First Person Plural- he went through incest and sexual abuse as a kid, and ended up having 24 personalites.
My friend took a course in a university, and they said there's only 10% of people who can devolp split personalites. That's interesting.

One more thing: crimelibrary.com had an article on child pyschopaths, but I can't find it anymore. Anyone know something?

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Hmmm, this was a while ago I saw this documetry about out of control kids. But as I recall it was a single mother raising him, and she had no weapons. The kid was only seven, I'm not sure he would understand a handgun manual. I believe the kid used to spy on the neighbor who he shot, it is posible he saw the neighbor doing it. But that still doesn't explain him understanding how to aim and fire accuratly.....all I know is I was watching it, and the kid was like the devil...

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No we can't say I guess, not anymore. But what makes me decide what I think is the fact that he stated he knew what he was doing was wrong. The little kid I mention, didn't. No one even knows how he learned to load, aim and shoot a weapon. No one knows how he learned to cut a human open with the percision of a surgeon. That little kid had no idea what he was doing. In an interview he didn't even know he did it, I simply feel Dahmer did....

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He probably read it from books that his father had. I read a lot of books about this kind of stuff because my sister is a nurse. I'm not saying I will sew someone up, but I think I know how to do it with just yarn.

That didn't sound right, sorry!!!!!

Oh yea, you were a meanie BillyO. I didn't think it was you until I found the post.

Bye N have a nice day

thank you for your post. I admit I was an *** to you, I have those days ya' know. I guess that combined with the fact that I could feel the angst in your words, made me get a little loopy. So just wanted to say sorry

No we can't say I guess, not anymore. But what makes me decide what I think is the fact that he stated he knew what he was doing was wrong. The little kid I mention, didn't. No one even knows how he learned to load, aim and shoot a weapon. No one knows how he learned to cut a human open with the percision of a surgeon. That little kid had no idea what he was doing. In an interview he didn't even know he did it, I simply feel Dahmer did....

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Hey, Teddy, good luck with your report. It sucks your mother won't let you out. We don't have any books on serial killers and such at our school, but maybe ours will?

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Thanks for wishing me luck

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I am wearing these green hospital pants as my PJs. I look like a nurse, a very short nurse but a nurse. They are huge though. I mean I was walking around the house and they fell straight down.

Um okay Bye N Have a nice day

Hey, Teddy, good luck with your report. It sucks your mother won't let you out. We don't have any books on serial killers and such at our school, but maybe ours will?

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from the ****ing doctor who ****ing studied him *******...which is more then you did....don't make me have to pull the FBI file...

now that I have resorted to your level, try talking to me in a better manner, the fact that someone who actually talked to the guy and doesn't back up what you believe isn't a reason to act like a moron. Believe what you want, I just hope you never are in control of anything big because you lack follow through.

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I went to the site you got that from, though... crimelibrary.com?

Look, neither of us can say exactly. He's the most studied killer and every person who studies him thinks something else, but I think the least trustworthy is his father, who tried to blame all the fault on the mother and failed to mention he was a workaholic who was never home for Jeffrey, but magaged to care for the other son.

I have heard about pyschopathic kids- like an eight year old who drowned his five year old friend and then seemed to care more about his being on TV than the fact that his friend was dead. It's disturbing, and puzzling why they turn out that way so young, and that's exactly why I think they should be studied instead of killed.

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Ahhh, now I see why you got involved in the Welcome To America post...I don't want to harp, but you can see the negatives now if we can't all communicate. It's hurting your learning...like I said in the other post, there are night school classes which are free, they could help her..or even you can help her!!

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She took classes and her English is okay but still she has trouble. I tried helping but it's so hard.

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Or if it really isn't that bad where you are, maybe try to convince her to let you at least go to the library. If I was your mom I would be very happy you were so interested in school, I know I wasn't!!

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You don't know my mom!!!! She won't let me and that is that. If I try talking to her about it, she basically kicks me out of the house and it gets so annoying after a while. So I gave up even asking her to do things. I don't know if my mom is happy that I'm interested in school, I don't even think she believes in me.

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or as a last resort, you could order books online from places like Amazon.com, but of course it isn't cheap....

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Um, I don't think so!!!! I have a bad feeling about that idea too!!!!! however, I would like to buy some pysc. books and stuff about depression and any other mental illness out there. All I have are books one diseases, illnesses, sickness and etc. etc.


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Ahhh, now I see why you got involved in the Welcome To America post...I don't want to harp, but you can see the negatives now if we can't all communicate. It's hurting your learning...like I said in the other post, there are night school classes which are free, they could help her..or even you can help her!! Where I live there are at least 7 different languages(maybe more) spoken....it gets pretty confusing!!

Or if it really isn't that bad where you are, maybe try to convince her to let you at least go to the library. If I was your mom I would be very happy you were so interested in school, I know I wasn't!!

or as a last resort, you could order books online from places like Amazon.com, but of course it isn't cheap....

What about at school? Do they have any?

Well, no

My mom wouldn't be able to get the books for me. She is just not good with directions and if she ask for help, it would be this whole thing about trying to understand what she is talking about, her English is rather a bit messed up.

I'm not dissing on my mom but no that would be hard. Believe Me!!!!!!!

My neighborhood is not that bad. Um, I feel so closed in. I need to go outside at least to the front.

Bye N Have a nice day

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Did I ever tell you that my mom doesn't let me out? She doesn't want me to even walk my dog but I do it anyways while she is there at the house.

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hrrrm, from some of your posts I assume maybe you don't live in the best neighborhood either

so mom being a little overprotective is ok I guess, but if you can't go out, she should get the books for you, you can find a list on the net. What about at school? Do they have any?

I can't go to the Library.

Did I ever tell you that my mom doesn't let me out? She doesn't want me to even walk my dog but I do it anyways while she is there at the house.

However, when she is at work, I am not allowed to go outside, open the door, answer the phone, (But she didn't say that directly but I think she wants me not to do that too.), take my dog for a walk or even let him out to use the bathroom in the front, and I'm not allowed to even open the door that goes up stairs.

Yup, I'm just here at home. Dying from boredom and my dog is too. I think he has depression. Poor little thing, it's my fault. He deserve better than me.

Um, when i do go out it's basically with my sister and brother. Also, if I need to go somewhere, she has to drive me there and take be back home and I know she could take me to the Library but not take me back home so I can't go.

Bye N Have a nice day

PS Aw, poor you, you get weird too when your in front of the class? Thanks for wishing me luck

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I'm going to do a report/speech on Jeffrey Dahmer. Um, I wish I could have personal facts instead of the ones on the internet

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There are plenty of books in the Library, but read a few or at least skim a few. Like Fetch pointed out you have his fathers book which obviously makes his dad out to be a hero. You have books from people who thought he "needs help". THere are books about how he had no consience, which if you read his police reports, is wrong, he did. He had remorse and actually stated he felt bad for the victims and wanted to stop killing people. One book I forgot the title also boasts it includes much of the 1,115 Page FBI file when he was taken in, I have not seen the book, but I've read much of the file.

Good Luck

PS - I hate standing infront of people talking...blah!! I get all sweaty!

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ARRRRRGGGGG!!!!!
I called you a Doctor because I felt that was written very well, as if someone who really understood what they were saying wrote it, if insinuating you are smart is bad, I will stop.

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Um, I'm not smart let me tell you that. Nor am I a doctor or will ever be. Why does everyone think I'm going to be a great doctor someday? What I said, anyone could have said and understood.

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But I take offense to the fact that first you agreed with me on punishing people, then you said it was only to make me happy, and now you say punish them....hence the hopping the fence part.
But it's all good, I'm not going to get all mad at you.

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Um, well, I know where I stand in punishing them or not. However, I do not want to say because then the group that states "Punishment" will get upset if I say this and the group that states "helping" will get upset when I say this. What I think of punishment is not really punishment at all but at the same time it is.

I don't want to explain what I think. I just don't want to say because I don't want anyone to get upset.

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maybe I should stop talking

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Oh, you don't need to stop talking. Well, in this case stop typing. I'm sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bye N Have a nice day

PS. I'm going to do a report/speech on Jeffrey Dahmer. Um, I wish I could have personal facts instead of the ones on the internet. Um, but that will do, I guess. Wish me luck on my soeech please because I tend to do these weird things when I'm in front of class. What? I'm shy!!!! Well, i'm way pass shy. Some people think I'm actually anti social or just a mute.

I don't need to talk so why would I talk. However, when I do need to talk, it feel like I don't know how to talk. However, I could talk pretty good one on one.

People don't seem to work well with me!!!!!!!!!!! . That's why sometimes I don't think I'm human.