Ilive4Him: you don't need to double post to say what you just said.
And two, Ikki said "who are you to decide whether or not medical reasons is a valid reason for taking away a life?" so RE-read it.
and also, of course what anyone states on here is going to be their opinion, that's sort of the point. Like it's my opinion that we should kill babies, if they're born and we decide we don't want them anymore, or can't take care of them, or just feel like it

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Originally posted by Ikki14Reed:
A few things, Linds.

What about if the baby will be born handicapped?

Basically, who are you to decide whether or not medical reasons is a valid reason for taking away a life?

u asked what a medical reason was ikkireed, and what you asked above(the 1st question) is a medical reason duh!!!!!!
and she never said it was her decision whether or not a baby should live, she was simply stating her opinions....

[QUOTE]Originally posted by linds7:
pro-life.

what gives us the right to take away a life? after about 24 days the heart starts beating. If you don't want the baby then put it up for adoption. only 1% of the population has abortions for rape or incest. 7% has abortinos for medical reasons such as the baby can kill the mother. 93% of the populationhas abortions because of social reaons such as they don't want the baby or it is inconvinient.

now besides the 7% of rare occurances. Which I feel would be suitable reason.

For the other 93%. I think that if you know how a baby is made then you should be able to deal with the consequences. I do not look at babies as punishments. I look at them as humans and responsiblilities.

ABORTION IS NOT BIRTH CONTROL!!

i am in total agreement with lindsey....all the way!!!!!!!!!!

A few things, Linds.

1. I need a source for your data that's not biased in anyway.
2. Did you round up? Because 1+7+93 is 101%, no 100%.
3. You say nothing gives us the right to take a life away, but then say that if it's for medical reasons, it's suitable. Aren't those going against each other? And what exactly defines a medical reason? Is it if the mother will die? Or if the baby will die? What about if the mother has this baby she can't have any more and she really wants a boy instead of a girl or vice cersa? What about if the baby will be born handicapped?

Basically, who are you to decide whether or not medical reasons is a valid reason for taking away a life?

pro-life.

what gives us the right to take away a life? after about 24 days the heart starts beating. If you don't want the baby then put it up for adoption. only 1% of the population has abortions for rape or incest. 7% has abortinos for medical reasons such as the baby can kill the mother. 93% of the populationhas abortions because of social reaons such as they don't want the baby or it is inconvinient.

now besides the 7% of rare occurances. Which I feel would be suitable reason.

For the other 93%. I think that if you know how a baby is made then you should be able to deal with the consequences. I do not look at babies as punishments. I look at them as humans and responsiblilities.

ABORTION IS NOT BIRTH CONTROL!!!

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Originally posted by Kharybdis:
This thread is an abortion.

xD
-nods-
Agreed.

Hmm k... first of all, 95% of all abortions are done as a form of birth control (according to stats). So this isn't including rape, mother's health blah blah blah. Claiming it's a right to have an abortion is nonsense if you believe that embryo's are alive. So quit trying to use that form of logic. No matter how much someone annoys you, you never have the right to kill them. The issue isn't about rights, so you can put down your poster boards there. It's about whether or not an embryo is alive. If you say "It has never breathed and have a SS #, ergo it's not alive." Then you are, to be blunt stupid. I'm more apt to believe that you are skewing the definition to try to meet your own ends. A fish doesn't breath air and yet is alive. No textbook would define life by what it breaths or by any number the government gives it. Some say it's situation may be so bad than it's justifiable to kill it. One word: WEAKSAUCE. I suppose it is justifiable to burn down the slums of any city or to kill poor people, since their life sucks so much anyways we're doing them a favor right? Anytime someone goes to a psychologist saying "I don't think anyone loves me" he should kill them right out because that's the best option right? Please! It's not even remotely logical. The only way abortion could be justified as birth control is claiming it is never alive until birth. In order to do that, we'd ahve to rewrite some definitions as to what he call alive and nonalive in conventional biology. (Obviously, anything not born would be nonliving.) or we could try to squeeze in by saying some birthing process (like hatching) but then it gets very complicated. You could say when something it fully developed it is it's own organism, but then little children would then not be considered their own organsisms and thus would be nonliving becuase they aren't fully matured humans yet. To me, it seems pretty hard to justify abortion as anything other than a selfish way to try to get out of a consequence you were warned about. (Note: This is talking about the 95% above mentioned.)

So I looked at the other abortions threads and managed to dug out what I had posted about it. Yes, I have that kind of time on my hands.

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I personally don't think I would ever be capable of having an abortion. But I can't judge the women who decide to practice it in case of rape or serious risk of death. I have never been in that situation myself and so I don't know what it is to go through that. I know that it truly must be traumatic to go through rape. And then to have to give birth to a child from that incident must be one of the hardest things a woman could do. This is a very complicated subject in my opinion because you have to consider both sides, the mother and the unborn child; the mothers right to decide over her body and the unborns' right to life. When does a fetus aquire right to life, who can truly decide?

This thread is an abortion.

She could also be killing the next Jack the Ripper.

*clears throat* From Hell is one of the best movies ever. Second only to Lawrence of Arabia, Lord of the Rings, and the World's Fastest Indian. ( and probably Pan's Labyrinth, which I command myself to love )

even if a child's going to be unloved...that doesn't mean it can't do great things for this world. I mean, when a woman's having an abortion she could be killing the next albert einstein. who knows?!

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Or something evil.

Which is why I said "On the other hand...it might not." As I already said, I don't know my position on abortion. So I think I'll just stay out of this debate.

Sydney, everyone in this world suffers. A wise man said the other day: without Strife, no one would strive.

If a baby is going to be unloved anyway, its better to kill it before its born so it doesn't have to live in this world and suffer.

The problem with abortions is lots of women do them for stupid reasons when they could be putting up a baby for adoption instead. Of course, they don't realize it until they've already had the adoption and they're all like oops! I believe the happy medium ur looking for is OPEN ADOPTION if you want to end up seeing your kid again or CLOSED adoption if you don't...:-)

Hypothetical situations make poor arguments, as do emotional appeals. I'd stick with these boards if their arguments were based upon logic.

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And what Ikki said is true. The adoption centers in America need tons of help. So instead of the government foing to all the trouble to decide if abortion should be legal, they should put some effort into making the other options better.

And yet, no one is willing to find a "happy" medium. The group that I'm in on myspace that was founded to FIND the medium and work to end abortions and unwanted pregnancies, and to improve women's health and opportunities for things like childcare? It seems to have become a pro-life v pro-choice debate group.

God I love this thread... even though you just constantly go around in circles and everysingle argument has already been made and argued and everything, it's still great. It always gets me laughing. like with this:

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The baby could be something great.

You gotta' admit that's pretty funny.

Hm, I don't think that we are anyone to tell a rape victim to go through the pregnancy or force them. I for one have never been in that situation, and so I am no one to say that they should go through it. People who do I think are amazingly strong.

What they went through was horrible, but I still don't think it justifies taking a life. Or what could be a life.

And what Ikki said is true. The adoption centers in America need tons of help. So instead of the government foing to all the trouble to decide if abortion should be legal, they should put some effort into making the other options better.