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But it has facts on abortions, and it shows per one thousand live births how many abortions take place. It's just a place to get SOME facts on abortions. Maybe not the ones you wanted, but there STILL are some facts there.

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Well thank you for showing me something that I have already looked at countless times.

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'how do you know they have reason and souls at the point? How do you know?

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Well I'm asking you, how do you know they don't?

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Come on. You can't just leave me hanging.

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Abortion and the Holocaust have both caused the death of millions because one group of people feels another group is inferior, and therefore can kill them if they want.
One of the main promoters of abortion (Planned Parenthood) was started by Margaret Sanger. Sanger was racist and had very similar views to Hitler, feeling that blacks should be wiped off the face of the earth. Her entire purpose to start Planned Parenthood was to "help" black pregnant women in "need" of terminating pregnancies, and killing off black babies to decrease the black population.
Slaves weren't viewed as people and it was thought to be perfectly fine to abuse them just as people feel today.
Slaves weren't thought to be the same as white people, just because they had different colored skin it was thought that they were a completly different species and that they didn't endure pain. Fetuses aren't viewed as people just because they aren't fully developed, and people think they can't feel pain either, but they can.
There's more similarities, if you really want them, I'll post them.

Anyways, go ahead and tell me that my avatar is "offensive". There's plenty of other "offensive" avatars floating around here. I find it offensive that homosexuals have taken the rainbow as their sign, when it was originally the christian sign for God's promise. If you must complain about "offensive" avatars, don't just complain about the ones that go against your views.

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Yes, and slavery was racism, but you'd be amazed by the similarties between the three.

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Come on. You can't just leave me hanging.

"I'm not asking whether or not it is human, or when life begins. Instead I am asking 'how do you know they have reason and souls at the point? How do you know? They could gain them at any time, so how do you know? That's what I want to know."

What makes humans above creatures is that they have reason and souls. It is HUMAN nature. Thus, if something is human then it has reason and it has a soul. It is simple logic. Since it is human nature to have reason and a soul, a human must receive these elements at the moment he/she becomes a human - because if he/she doesn't, there would be some humans that didn't have total human nature at some point.

"How do we know that everything we perceive to be right is right? How do we know facts are really facts? If you think about it from a certain angle, then yes. Everything people think and learn is opinion."

You can ask infinite types of questions like these. How do you know we aren't in a matrix? How do you know we exist? Humans can only go on what their innocent minds tell them. It is reason that tells you shooting your neighbor is wrong. It is reason telling you that you should not take a leak in your friend’s car. You can argue this your whole life, but we have to work with what we have. Minds do become corrupted and people become influenced, but your conscience is always there no matter if you want to listen to it, or throw it away for good. It is instinct that tells you abortion is wrong. Change is good at times, but is overrated too much. Our society is losing its morals and that is why some influenced people believe that certain immoral things are fine.

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That page has no facts on how many abortions have taken place overall. So no matter how hard you are trying to agitate me, you're not. You're making yourself look a little a slow.

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But it has facts on abortions, and it shows per one thousand live births how many abortions take place. It's just a place to get SOME facts on abortions. Maybe not the ones you wanted, but there STILL are some facts there.

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he argument is if the child is human or not? If it is human, then it has reason and a soul. With reason and revelation, the human race has deducted that. Science has proven that at the point of conception human life has begun. It is the ONLY consistent viewpoint on this matter. The baby does not turn human at a month point - how illogical is that!? Conception is when the sperm and the egg meet and that begins human life.

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I'm not asking whether or not it is human, or when life begins. Instead I am asking 'how do you know they have reason and souls at the point? How do you know? They could gain them at any time, so how do you know? That's what I want to know.

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Just because everyone doesn't agree on something, doesn't mean that that something should be allowed if it is wrong. There is almost nothing that everyone believes the same on. But, this is not a subjective world. There are things that are right, and there are things that are wrong. You can't justify something that is wrong by saying that some people think it is fine. If you believe this, then stay consistent in your beliefs and be for people to murder if they feel that murder is fine. Why do you think God is the only person who knows this answer? Are you saying that we know NOTHING?? God has given us a mind to reason and solve. Why do we think murder is wrong?? It's because we can reason. You clearly said that God is the only person who knows. Are you saying that everything people think and learn is opinion? How foolish!

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How do we know that everything we perceive to be right is right? How do we know facts are really facts? If you think about it from a certain angle, then yes. Everything people think and learn is opinion.

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Do they really now? What's your proof and where's your source.

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The argument is if the child is human or not? If it is human, then it has reason and a soul. With reason and revelation, the human race has deducted that. Science has proven that at the point of conception human life has begun. It is the ONLY consistent viewpoint on this matter. The baby does not turn human at a month point - how illogical is that!? Conception is when the sperm and the egg meet and that begins human life.

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Bogey, like it or not, no one's ever going to agree on a universal idea as to when life begins. Just because it's your opinion does not mean that's when life starts. Only one person knows the answer, and sorry, but you're not Him.

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Just because everyone doesn't agree on something, doesn't mean that that something should be allowed if it is wrong. There is almost nothing that everyone believes the same on. But, this is not a subjective world. There are things that are right, and there are things that are wrong. You can't justify something that is wrong by saying that some people think it is fine. If you believe this, then stay consistent in your beliefs and be for people to murder if they feel that murder is fine. Why do you think God is the only person who knows this answer? Are you saying that we know NOTHING?? God has given us a mind to reason and solve. Why do we think murder is wrong?? It's because we can reason. You clearly said that God is the only person who knows. Are you saying that everything people think and learn is opinion? How foolish!

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Go to http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/surv_abort00.htm

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That page has no facts on how many abortions have taken place overall. So no matter how hard you are trying to agitate me, you're not. You're making yourself look a little a slow.

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It seems that less than 25% of pregnancies are aborted.

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With today's abortion stats it could be that 25% of pregnancies are terminated, but I'm talking over-all here, not just all that happens in one year, and not just what happens in the U.S. All around it comes out to be around 1/3.

" In Myanmar, estimates based on health facility data showed an abortion to delivery admission ratio of 1:3 in 1997" Stats vary from site to site and stats vary from country to country but if you add it all up, it's going to be around 1/3, there's no possible way it's only 1/4, but even if it was, that is still a LOT of
dead fetuses, and it still doesn't justify abortion.

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Also, abortion rates have decreased as of 1997, according to all of the sites I have visited.

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No one is arguing with you. But what exactly is your point?

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Reality does not care if you believe in it, or worship it, or pray to it, but you can trust that it will not go away.

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And the reality is that thousands of unborn babies are killed each day. That is not biased, nor is it incorrect. It's reality.

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I wanted to ask all anti-abortions people, have you ever been pregnant?

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No, but I recently had a scare. And throughout that scare I thought about all the possible things I could do, and having an abortion did not appeal to me what-so-ever.

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The Holocaust was genocide. Abortion is not.

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Yes, and slavery was racism, but you'd be amazed by the similarties between the three.

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Yeah that avatar is offensive

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Until YN tells me to get a new one, or I find one I like better, I'm keeping it. So deal with it.

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They have reason and souls at that point

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Do they really now? What's your proof and where's your source.

Bogey, like it or not, no one's ever going to agree on a universal idea as to when life begins. Just because it's your opinion does not mean that's when life starts. Only one person knows the answer, and sorry, but you're not Him.

"i think that after its been in there like 5 months....then its wrong to do it after. "

So, a day before 5 months, abortion is perfectly fine. But, a day later, on the 5 month mark, it is totally wrong? Does that day make such a big difference? If so, why? You see, any argument, besides the argument that life starts at conception, is illogical and inconsistent. It makes no sense has no sense. No matter how much more difficult it makes people's lives, human life begins at conception - not at the 5 month mark, or when the heart starts beating, or when it begins to feel pain, or when brain wave are found. None of that makes someone human. Humans are humans when the makeup is formed. They have reason and souls at that point. Abortion may make lives easier, but that is only if we are an immoral society and have no guilt and no dedication to do what is right. If you are an immoral person, then you can go on with an easy life. It's the people who do what is right that have harder lives - but it is worth it. Those people will be rewarded in the end.

abortions are ok depending on the situation

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its alive right? the egg and sperm are together, so now its alive.

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i think that after its been in there like 5 months....then its wrong to do it after.

Yeah that avatar is offensive. If you dont remember the jewish community was upset when peta tried to use the same thing for chickens. Holocaust killed living people of all ages. Its an insult to compare fetuses and jews.

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And I, would like to ask all the pro-abortionists out there if any of you have ever been a fetus?

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Couldn't answer you, as I am pro-choice. But, answering as that, yes, I have been a fetus.

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WOULD YOU KILL YOUR OWN BLOOD!!!

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Explain how one can go about doing that, and then we'll be able to answer you.

Luvabug, your avator is offending me, and I'm not even Jewish. It's disgusting, not to mention wrong. The Holocaust was genocide. Abortion is not.

**** happens and there's no way to get around that. I do believe that abortion is wrong except if the mother's life is in danger.

Annnnd...uh that's pretty much it. Thank you come again

yep, and i regret having myself a lot of times when i realize stuff about this world.....

And I, would like to ask all the pro-abortionists out there if any of you have ever been a fetus?

I wanted to ask all anti-abortions people, have you ever been pregnant?

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You can go to any site you want and look it up. They'll all tell you that 1/3 of our generation has been aborted.

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I can't seem to find those statistics anywhere.

This is what I did find:

1) 49% of pregnancies among American women are unintended; almost half of these are terminated by abortion.

2) In 2000, 1.31 million abortions took place, down from an estimated 1.36 million in 1996. From 1973 through 2000, more than 39 million legal abortions occurred.

3) Each year, 2 out of every 100 women aged 15–44 have an abortion; 48% of them have had at least one previous abortion and 61% have had a previous birth.

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It seems that less than 25% of pregnancies are aborted. That's less than 1/4 of the population. Where did you get 1/3? Seriously, now.

Also, abortion rates have decreased as of 1997, according to all of the sites I have visited.

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a baby at the age of 13 just destroys you.

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It destroys you, but it doesnt kill you. Now aborting kills an innocent life...

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Abortions are perfectly ethical.

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One wrong act doesn't justify another. You had unprotected sex,and you got pregnant. That DOES NOT justify killing aka abortion. If you got raped, then the rapist b!tch's act doesnt justify your right to kill either. The ONLY time abortion is justified is when the mother's life is put at risk if she delivers. Saying abortions are ethical because its not the mother's fault that she got raped is just like saying that fatally shooting a burglar who broke into your house in the head on purpose is ethical just because you believed that he could kill you. And you could get life in prison for that, even though he broke into your house.

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You can go to any site you want and look it up. They'll all tell you that 1/3 of our generation has been aborted.

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You don't have a damn idea what you're talking about until you are pregnant and facing the decision

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And what makes you think we haven't been in the position?

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Do any of you have a reliable source for this?

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You can go to any site you want and look it up. They'll all tell you that 1/3 of our generation has been aborted.