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everyone says its wrong no doubt but what if u were to be raped and u turned up pregnant would u want to keep that baby knowing that it was the result of being raped i think in most cases it is wrong but there are cases where it would be ok

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I realize being raped is something that would be very difficult to deal with. But if you were raped and got pregnant from that and are trying to decide to abort or not, it obviously means the rapist did not murder you. If you were raped, you would know what it was like to be attacked and taken advantage of while you were trying to fight back. So why put the baby in the same position? The baby isn't the rapist, the baby is innocent and can't help how he/she was conceived. By aborting in a rape case, you are putting something in the same position you were in while conceiving, but unfortunatly the baby goes through something worse, and is actually killed. Both rape and abortion are two terrible things, but getting raped should not give someone a reason to abort, in just as violent of an act.

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everyone says its wrong no doubt but what if u were to be raped and u turned up pregnant would u want to keep that baby knowing that it was the result of being raped i think in most cases it is wrong but there are cases where it would be ok


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as for you luvabug, you don't have to be sarcastic,

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Yea, you don't have to be ignorant.

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i mean seriously if you were going to bring a child into a world who was just going to suffer why do it?

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You don't know if they'll suffer. There are tons and tons of people walking on this planet that were born out of wedlock and other sticky situations, and they're just fine.

I know where i stand on this issue but since we're just TALKING ABOUT IT on some stupid site (Don't say anything about that) than i can say "well this could happen, this this and this" i mean seriously if you were going to bring a child into a world who was just going to suffer why do it? that's the OTHER opinion. but i would still say that there is always a chance and a miracle can be born. as for you luvabug, you don't have to be sarcastic, but anyway yeah most kids are born from some very weird senario's. abortion is the easiest way out and the fact is that most people tend to take the easiest way out. it sucks but it''s true

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i didn't know i was being so confusing.

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do you want to know what people were born from those scenario's?

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I suppose you're going to tell me anyway.
But still, probably most of the world were born from odd scenarios where it would have been easier on everbody if the mother had an abortion. Take me for instance, my mother is catholic (meaning that when my grandparents found out she was having sex before she got married, let alone pregnant, they were'nt very happy) and I'm sure my dad wasn't at all ready to have me come along. I've even asked my mother if I was a mistake (I know that I was) and she said "I wouldn't say that you're a mistake, I'd just say you came along a little early." So just because a baby is coming into the world through an uncomfortable situation such as I did, or through rape, or any of those scenarios you posted, it doesn't mean that the baby won't be loved and that it will have a miserable life. Do you honestly think that all the humans on earth that are product of rape are unhappy and miserable? No, I think they would feel as I do. Greatful that my mother didn't abort me and greatful that just because aborting me would have been easier, she stuck it through.

"luvabug or whatever your screen name is, shut up. please."

Hey, Luvabug and I hardly ever agree, but I'll second her in saying:
" spiritgirl...you are a ******* idiot and it'd be best if you kept your mouth shut b/c you clearly have no idea what your stance is on this issue or what the hell you're talking about."

-rito

[This message was edited by YNLissa on June 16, 2004 at 01:56 PM.]

okay. i didn't know i was being so confusing. Glad you see it from a different point of veiw but actually do you want to know what people were born from those scenario's?

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i meant i was born from a scenario like that and so was jesus. stuff like that does happen all the time. i didn't realize i had to spell it out for you.

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The way you worded it made it seem as if the scenario had directly happened to both you and Jesus. Word things better, please.

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But i can't stand it when ppl only see something from one side.

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No, I used to wonder if I was pro-choice. I looked at things from that point of view and I just didn't agree with it.

and another thing is i didn't contradict myself! first thing i said about abortion was i'm not for it. But i can't stand it when ppl only see something from one side. that's why i showd you those scenarios. geez

oh my god you complete moron. look here is what i meant

4. A teenage girl is pregnant. She's not married. Her fiance is not the father of the baby, and he's very upset. Would you consider recommending abortion?

i meant i was born from a scenario like that and so was jesus. stuff like that does happen all the time. i didn't realize i had to spell it out for you.

luvabug or whatever your screen name is, shut up. please.

Holy ****. This is the first time I have ever said something this "mean" about someone on youthnoise...but spiritgirl...you are a ******* idiot and it'd be best if you kept your mouth shut b/c you clearly have no idea what your stance is on this issue or what the hell you're talking about.

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and the fourth one happened to two people i know of. one of them is ME!!!

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do you realize i'm not for abortion.

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i don't know if abortion should be illegal but i do know that i could never get an abortion or advise some one to get one.

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Don't contradict yourself. It makes you look dumber.

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one of them is ME!!! and do you believe in god? because the other one was JESUS!!!

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Hunni, I know who Jesus is. I asked what the hell you were talking about bc the statement you made implys that Jesus got pregnant with someones baby and was engaged to someone else. Sorry, you're posts tend to get very hard to read.

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Do you have any idea what you're talking about?

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Yea, I do, that's why you're irritating me, b/c you obviously DON'T.

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why does everyone need to know who Jesus is? not everyone likes to follow that path, and it'snot that I am insulting your ways, but missionaries are annoying.-
if my friend saw this she'd go nuts. at the beggining of my last school year she was always preaching to me about jesus and the bible. but really do you know one of the main reasons ppl are atheists? because of bad witnesses. i hate sounding like my friend but here is what' i should say. i know some kids who are as annoying as i don't know what about preaching. and yeah alot of the time christians are very annoying. but the thing is, one day jesus is going to come back. i probably sound like a phsyco but that's just what i believe and know.
I'm not "shoving my religion down your throat" if that's what you're thinking. but i am telling you because if i didn't than I wouldn't be a good witness.

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This is an abortion thread. If you want to evangalise, go to the right thread.

[This message was edited by YNLissa on June 16, 2004 at 01:55 PM.]

i don't know if abortion should be illegal but i do know that i could never get an abortion or advise some one to get one. i have a thing about killing anything with a heart. i'm serious. it's weird actually. i can eat meat and all that but if i ever had to kill something with my own hands i don't think i could do it.


why does everyone need to know who Jesus is? not everyone likes to follow that path, and it'snot that I am insulting your ways, but missionaries are annoying.-
if my friend saw this she'd go nuts. at the beggining of my last school year she was always preaching to me about jesus and the bible. but really do you know one of the main reasons ppl are atheists? because of bad witnesses. i hate sounding like my friend but here is what' i should say. i know some kids who are as annoying as i don't know what about preaching. and yeah alot of the time christians are very annoying. but the thing is, one day jesus is going to come back. i probably sound like a phsyco but that's just what i believe and know.
I'm not "shoving my religion down your throat" if that's what you're thinking. but i am telling you because if i didn't than I wouldn't be a good witness.

Well, here's how I see it. I don't think abortion should be used as birth control. If you're someone who had sex and just doesn't want to have to deal with the results, then it's wrong. You have to deal with the consequences.

However, then there are rape victims. I doubt that a rape victim would want to have to live with the reminder of what happened to her day after day. Even if you choose to argue adoption, that woman still has to carry the child and live with that hardship. It's still a living reminder, when I'm sure a rape victim just wants to forget what happened.

Then there are the extremely poor and the people with diseases. If you're going to bring a child into a world of nothing but suffering before they die... well, I don't see the point. At least if you have an abortion, the child will not have to suffer and have a long, drawn out death.

Since I can't go around saying "Only the special cases get abortions", because it would lead to lying and other desperate measures, I think it's best to remain pro-choice. That's just my view.

(Oh, and by the way, Jesus also preached against divorces, and you don't see tons of people running around saying that divorce should be illegal, now do you?)

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look, luvabug said she didn't know what i was talking about when i said that about jesus so i explained who jesus is and for your info not everyone knows who jesus is. why do you think there are missionaries?

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why does everyone need to know who Jesus is? not everyone likes to follow that path, and it'snot that I am insulting your ways, but missionaries are annoying.

look, luvabug said she didn't know what i was talking about when i said that about jesus so i explained who jesus is and for your info not everyone knows who jesus is. why do you think there are missionaries?

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Do you have any idea what you're talking about? do you know who jesus is? i don't know about you're religious beliefs but jesus is the one who saved us from HELL and mary could have had an abortion but she didn't

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oh man this is good...

no we are all morons and have no clue who Jesus was...of course she knows who Jesus was, what idiot doesnt know who the hell Jesus is?! and do you really think they had an abortion system in the B.C. times? I think not!! unless mary wanted to shove a stick up her vagina and move it around i think she was kinda left with no choice in the situation. in those days if people didnt want kids, they didnt have sex! that simple.

Do you have any idea what you're talking about? do you know who jesus is? i don't know about you're religious beliefs but jesus is the one who saved us from HELL and mary could have had an abortion but she didn't. i don't even know what you were talking about adoption. do you realize i'm not for abortion. i just wanted to find out if you knew what you were talking about and clearly you don't.
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they just chose 15. the second one isn't about how many kids there are, it's about do they want to risk having another child with a problem like blindness or being deaf or dead and even then it's not about the parents it's about the child suffering.

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the third one what does race have to do with it? that wasn't even the point!

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Exacty, race has nothing to do with it so don't specify what race the people are.It doesn't help your case.

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and do you believe in god? because the other one was JESUS!!!

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