Holy ****. This is the first time I have ever said something this "mean" about someone on youthnoise...but spiritgirl...you are a ******* idiot and it'd be best if you kept your mouth shut b/c you clearly have no idea what your stance is on this issue or what the hell you're talking about.

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and the fourth one happened to two people i know of. one of them is ME!!!

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do you realize i'm not for abortion.

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i don't know if abortion should be illegal but i do know that i could never get an abortion or advise some one to get one.

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Don't contradict yourself. It makes you look dumber.

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one of them is ME!!! and do you believe in god? because the other one was JESUS!!!

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Hunni, I know who Jesus is. I asked what the hell you were talking about bc the statement you made implys that Jesus got pregnant with someones baby and was engaged to someone else. Sorry, you're posts tend to get very hard to read.

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Do you have any idea what you're talking about?

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Yea, I do, that's why you're irritating me, b/c you obviously DON'T.

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why does everyone need to know who Jesus is? not everyone likes to follow that path, and it'snot that I am insulting your ways, but missionaries are annoying.-
if my friend saw this she'd go nuts. at the beggining of my last school year she was always preaching to me about jesus and the bible. but really do you know one of the main reasons ppl are atheists? because of bad witnesses. i hate sounding like my friend but here is what' i should say. i know some kids who are as annoying as i don't know what about preaching. and yeah alot of the time christians are very annoying. but the thing is, one day jesus is going to come back. i probably sound like a phsyco but that's just what i believe and know.
I'm not "shoving my religion down your throat" if that's what you're thinking. but i am telling you because if i didn't than I wouldn't be a good witness.

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This is an abortion thread. If you want to evangalise, go to the right thread.

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i don't know if abortion should be illegal but i do know that i could never get an abortion or advise some one to get one. i have a thing about killing anything with a heart. i'm serious. it's weird actually. i can eat meat and all that but if i ever had to kill something with my own hands i don't think i could do it.


why does everyone need to know who Jesus is? not everyone likes to follow that path, and it'snot that I am insulting your ways, but missionaries are annoying.-
if my friend saw this she'd go nuts. at the beggining of my last school year she was always preaching to me about jesus and the bible. but really do you know one of the main reasons ppl are atheists? because of bad witnesses. i hate sounding like my friend but here is what' i should say. i know some kids who are as annoying as i don't know what about preaching. and yeah alot of the time christians are very annoying. but the thing is, one day jesus is going to come back. i probably sound like a phsyco but that's just what i believe and know.
I'm not "shoving my religion down your throat" if that's what you're thinking. but i am telling you because if i didn't than I wouldn't be a good witness.

Well, here's how I see it. I don't think abortion should be used as birth control. If you're someone who had sex and just doesn't want to have to deal with the results, then it's wrong. You have to deal with the consequences.

However, then there are rape victims. I doubt that a rape victim would want to have to live with the reminder of what happened to her day after day. Even if you choose to argue adoption, that woman still has to carry the child and live with that hardship. It's still a living reminder, when I'm sure a rape victim just wants to forget what happened.

Then there are the extremely poor and the people with diseases. If you're going to bring a child into a world of nothing but suffering before they die... well, I don't see the point. At least if you have an abortion, the child will not have to suffer and have a long, drawn out death.

Since I can't go around saying "Only the special cases get abortions", because it would lead to lying and other desperate measures, I think it's best to remain pro-choice. That's just my view.

(Oh, and by the way, Jesus also preached against divorces, and you don't see tons of people running around saying that divorce should be illegal, now do you?)

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look, luvabug said she didn't know what i was talking about when i said that about jesus so i explained who jesus is and for your info not everyone knows who jesus is. why do you think there are missionaries?

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why does everyone need to know who Jesus is? not everyone likes to follow that path, and it'snot that I am insulting your ways, but missionaries are annoying.

look, luvabug said she didn't know what i was talking about when i said that about jesus so i explained who jesus is and for your info not everyone knows who jesus is. why do you think there are missionaries?

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Do you have any idea what you're talking about? do you know who jesus is? i don't know about you're religious beliefs but jesus is the one who saved us from HELL and mary could have had an abortion but she didn't

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oh man this is good...

no we are all morons and have no clue who Jesus was...of course she knows who Jesus was, what idiot doesnt know who the hell Jesus is?! and do you really think they had an abortion system in the B.C. times? I think not!! unless mary wanted to shove a stick up her vagina and move it around i think she was kinda left with no choice in the situation. in those days if people didnt want kids, they didnt have sex! that simple.

Do you have any idea what you're talking about? do you know who jesus is? i don't know about you're religious beliefs but jesus is the one who saved us from HELL and mary could have had an abortion but she didn't. i don't even know what you were talking about adoption. do you realize i'm not for abortion. i just wanted to find out if you knew what you were talking about and clearly you don't.
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they just chose 15. the second one isn't about how many kids there are, it's about do they want to risk having another child with a problem like blindness or being deaf or dead and even then it's not about the parents it's about the child suffering.

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ADOPTION

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the third one what does race have to do with it? that wasn't even the point!

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Exacty, race has nothing to do with it so don't specify what race the people are.It doesn't help your case.

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and do you believe in god? because the other one was JESUS!!!

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What the hell are you talking about?

alright look that made absolutely no sense. i didn't make those sceanario's up. for the first one, you start of started abortions long before then or long after. they just chose 15. the second one isn't about how many kids there are, it's about do they want to risk having another child with a problem like blindness or being deaf or dead and even then it's not about the parents it's about the child suffering.
the third one what does race have to do with it? that wasn't even the point!
and the fourth one happened to two people i know of. one of them is ME!!! and do you believe in god? because the other one was JESUS!!! that kind of thing happens all the time! so again i didn't make those up. abortion is about more than a parent not wanting a baby. it's also about what if they're going to suffer in alot of cases.
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1. There's a preacher and wife who are very, very, poor. They already have 14 kids. Now she finds out she's pregnant with 15th. They're living in tremendous poverty. Considering their poverty the excessive world population, would you consider recommending she get an abortion?

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Duh. If they didn't want kids and they were so poor, they would have started using abortions as their contraceptive long before they got to 15.

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2. The father is sick with sniffles, the mother has TB. They have 4 children. 1st is blind, 2nd is dead, 3rd is deaf, 4th has TB. She finds she's pregnant again. Given the extreme situation, would you consider recommending abortion?

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Sniffles last for for less than a month. If one is dead, then it would only be 3 kids living with them, not that big of a deal.

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3. A white man raped a 13 year old black girl and she got pregnant. If you were her parents, would you consider recommending abortion?

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What does race have to do with it? I know what you were trying to get with that. I'm not racist, but whether it's a black poor girl, white poor girl, black rich girl, or white rich girl, I still think they're murdering a child and taking that p.u.s.sy way out. Anyways, no, I wouldn't consider recommending it. Less than 1% of abotions are b/c of rape/incest anyways.

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4. A teenage girl is pregnant. She's not married. Her fiance is not the father of the baby, and he's very upset. Would you consider recommending abortion?

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You are making some pretty wild scenarios. She's a teen and engaged? If he's already upset about the baby not being his and he already knows, what's the point in killing it? He's still going to be upset.

Anyways, those were some very odd scenarios and I highly doubt they occur very often, if at all. The fact still remains, no matter how many scenarios there are that abortion would be the easiest way to deal with things, it's still wrong, and it is still killing a human child.

i hate it when i have to fight for somethingi don't believe in but since i want to see if you can continue arguing...

Okay, here's a scenario

1. There's a preacher and wife who are very, very, poor. They already have 14 kids. Now she finds out she's pregnant with 15th. They're living in tremendous poverty. Considering their poverty the excessive world population, would you consider recommending she get an abortion?

2. The father is sick with sniffles, the mother has TB. They have 4 children. 1st is blind, 2nd is dead, 3rd is deaf, 4th has TB. She finds she's pregnant again. Given the extreme situation, would you consider recommending abortion?

3. A white man raped a 13 year old black girl and she got pregnant. If you were her parents, would you consider recommending abortion?

4. A teenage girl is pregnant. She's not married. Her fiance is not the father of the baby, and he's very upset. Would you consider recommending abortion?

Why is it wrong?

-Because there is no reason for it to be right. It is murdering a child that hasn't done anything wrong, and cannot help how it was conceived. In the case of rape, I sympathize for the women and don't blame her for wanting an abortion, but that still doesn't make it right. Anyway, less than 1% of abortion cases are from women who have been raped.

Okay, it sounds realy arrogant to say that something is completely wrong so even though i voted completely wrong let me get some feedback on this. why is it completely wrong? think carefully before you answer because i can argue with just about anyone about anything

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I second the motion!

I say we abort this thread....

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ABORTIONS ARE WRONG!!!!! unless the woman was raped or something.

PLEASE keep all this abortion stuff onto one board...

Oh great not this topic again.

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